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The Importance of Ethnicity
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Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#21 - 2014-04-01 06:40:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Anabella Rella
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
With the Empire you will find two vary different viewpoint existing at the same time:

The first, the "old guard" viewpoint of the True Amarr being superior to everyone else and the whole package that goes with it. You have no doubt encountered that more times than you care to. Personally I find this repugnant, as it smacks of the sort of mindset of the tribal radicals that continue to harass all of New Eden to this day for the exact same reasons.

What the hell are you on about? You're pissed off because some Matari break other Matari out of the chains held by your masters? Please, that song has gotten so stale. You and your addle-headed niece really need to find a new tune to sing.

Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
The second, the "progressive" viewpoint (of which I am a subscriber), which is the exact opposite: That Amarrian is defined by being a member of the Amarrian Faith, and that any racial/ethnic background is utterly irrelevant in comparison. Likewise, I consider one who swears loyalty to a Caldari Megacorporation to be Caldari, or a Minmatar growing up in the Federation to be Gallente... if they wish to be thought of as such.

Of course living the Mandate has probably helped shaped that view, of course. A genome test would show the people here as (mostly) Minmatar, but their hearts and souls are as pure as any high-born True Amarrian (sometimes even moreso, honestly) and thus I consider us all equals before God.

If you truly believe this you're a heretic, Devonshire. Your own holy books say otherwise. Doesn't it say so in the Book of Reclaiming? Something about the hierarchy being: your god, sephrim, Amarr, everything else?

Face it; you are now and forever will be considered an inferior destined for a life of (voluntary for now) servitude to your Amarrian masters. You're walking around free only at the pleasure of the True Amarr heir who rules your puppet nation and the True Amarr who sits on the throne in Dam Torsad.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#22 - 2014-04-01 07:43:11 UTC
The myth of the importance of ethnicity, alongside with thinly veiled nationalism is nothing more but a tool the Four use to keep their subordinates in check.

"Go shoot those people there, they are enemies of our people.

No, don't question it, I am on your side."

As the old saying goes, 'the blood one spills with brethren on the field of battle is thicker than the water of their mother's womb'. As for one's cultural upbringing, that has nothing to do with one's ethnicity - how many ethnic matari are growing up in other ethnicities' cultural surroundings, after all?
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

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Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#23 - 2014-04-01 17:52:39 UTC
Several of the Replies in this thread are Confusing.

I am still Unsure about the importance of Ethnicity.

I recognise Culture as being Important, because it relates to understanding of Metaphors, and therefore the understanding of the Message of the Scriptures. A person from a Desert culture would have difficulty understanding Metaphors from a Seagoing Culture.

I have previously mentioned Genetics as being of Low importance, because it is Written that All may be Chosen.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2014-04-02 14:30:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicoletta Mithra
Diana Kim wrote:
Well, speaking about bloodlines.
If a bloodline has developed a certain profitable trait, it is in best interests to continue developing in that direction, instead of mixing around with others to become better in other areas thus becoming grey mass.
Specialization is the key to success.


All one needs to say to that has been summed up already by someone in saying:
Quote:
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.


Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Ethnicity isn't important. Culture, ancestry, and background is, but ethnicity isn't at all. If you took the brain of an Amarrian and put it in a Minmatar they would function the same exact way.


Of course ethnicity is important: Ethnic groups are identified by common ancestral, social, cultural, and/or national experience, an ethnicity shares a common history. Such a history can be one that includes a history of a relationship with God - or not. Thus, of course, it can make a difference. One shouldn't forget, though, that sharing in a common history is quite different from being of a certain biological makeup or race.

Thus, both those people that say that race matters as well as those that say, ethnic background does not matter at all, are wong. The truth is, as oftentimes, somewhere in between. God cares for the man, but who the man is is defined in part by the history he shares into. If that wouldn't be true, people couldn't be included and share in the salvific historical relationship of God with humankind in his Chosen.
Goa Chai
Doomheim
#25 - 2014-04-02 15:45:22 UTC
Race is no more important than the model of land vehicle one may choose, for us they're essentially the same.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-04-02 17:41:26 UTC
Goa Chai wrote:
Zenariae wrote:
Oh plueeze – when was the last time you had colon therapy? Same old problem with some of these ossified Amarrians – they never lose the stale odour of old men and torpid religion. Don’t you get it? All blood tastes the same … 


Unless you're ethnic Gallentean, our blood tastes like freedom. Cool

And freedom tastes like rot.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Goa Chai
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-04-02 18:11:04 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
And freedom tastes like rot.
An interesting sentiment, coming from a capsuleer.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#28 - 2014-04-02 18:17:04 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:

If you truly believe this you're a heretic, Devonshire.

Oh my, don't forget to put house Tash-Murkon, few ni-kunni holders for variety's sake and family Kor-Azor because why not while you're at it. You make me sad curious sebiestor, it's like you are not even trying.
Alistair Cononach
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#29 - 2014-04-03 22:18:20 UTC
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
With the Empire you will find two vary different viewpoint existing at the same time:

The first, the "old guard" viewpoint of the True Amarr being superior to everyone else and the whole package that goes with it. You have no doubt encountered that more times than you care to. Personally I find this repugnant, as it smacks of the sort of mindset of the tribal radicals that continue to harass all of New Eden to this day for the exact same reasons.

The second, the "progressive" viewpoint (of which I am a subscriber), which is the exact opposite: That Amarrian is defined by being a member of the Amarrian Faith, and that any racial/ethnic background is utterly irrelevant in comparison. Likewise, I consider one who swears loyalty to a Caldari Megacorporation to be Caldari, or a Minmatar growing up in the Federation to be Gallente... if they wish to be thought of as such.

Of course living the Mandate has probably helped shaped that view, of course. A genome test would show the people here as (mostly) Minmatar, but their hearts and souls are as pure as any high-born True Amarrian (sometimes even moreso, honestly) and thus I consider us all equals before God.


Well said.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#30 - 2014-04-03 22:40:08 UTC
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:


All one needs to say to that has been summed up already by someone in saying:
Quote:
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

I like this quote. I like you.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#31 - 2014-04-04 01:33:25 UTC
Pretty sure I'm Civ-what anymore. But even as a member of "dirty liberal" (tee hee) Ishukone, ethnic tradition is important to a great degree. Not so much the ethnicity, but the Caldari way of life as a whole.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-04-04 13:16:37 UTC
Goa Chai wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
And freedom tastes like rot.
An interesting sentiment, coming from a capsuleer.

Freedom is an infection, that contaminates mind. It is a mental disease, turning peoples into criminals, murderers, thieves, brutes and savages. It is a way to chaos and destruction, destabilization of societies and decline of cultures.

It is a word, that a criminal would use to evade punishment.
It is a word, that a bully would use to justify his behavior.
It is a word, that a troll would use to excuse his insults.
It is a word, that a pervert would use to make a sexual contact before marriage.
It is a word, that a traitor would use to replace his honor with.

Freedom is a rot.
And it tastes like rot.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Neus
Dylenta Industries
#33 - 2014-04-10 09:51:22 UTC
This question is one of great intrigue. Ethnicity and Race seem highly confused by many who have weighed in.

Since heavy assumption is that my race is forever tied to the Federation I must be assumed to have the ethnicity that supports every bit of the beliefs the majority would consider the norm under Federation ideology.

Ethnicity relates to cultural factors such as nationality, culture, ancestry, language and beliefs.

Race refers to a person's physical appearance, such as skin color, eye color, hair color, bone/jaw structure etc.

Taking this into consideration, how does one hate a race of people and upon that hatred tie their own perception of the same race's ethnicity based on the physical attributes of another? I see no boundary in advanced intelligence and it is not the lack of intelligence that defines the war monger against a way of life, it is the abundance of pride and egotistical patriotism of their own ethnicity opposing that of another.

When we turn the gun or the battleship upon another who hasn't the defense or declares his open beliefs from his culture, based soley on his appearance, you've confirmed that being a machine for oppression reduces freedom. The problem is the wisdom to see beyond the indifference, recognize that what defines us is our mobility and behavior. Ethnicity shouldn't fill you with anxiety. It should be embraced with the diversity it can bring to that which represents the humane.

The confusion of not understanding this separation is the not the fault of intelligence, but a lack of wisdom on the part of the ill-behaved. Unfortunately, this lack exists in many pockets across New Eden, and sadly not isolated to any particular race.

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Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#34 - 2014-04-11 00:58:48 UTC
Ethnicity is something people use to say "I'm better than you".

Also, "You're worse than me".

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

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