EVE Information Portal

Like some of the people on this thread, I too am not very enthusiastic about the way forsakens and rally points run now. For one, the forsakens are now nearly impossible for me to complete and make as much Isk per blink as I used to with the old ones. sure, the uber-skilled players are going to make the most money, but for the low or medium skilled members, such as myself, it is very hard for us to take down all those Popes at the same time etc etc. As another person also said, i think that by making the orbit of popes smaller, people would be able to kill them faster. Another idea would be to put more close range battleships instead of long range battleships. Sure, the bounty for each might br a bit smaller, but you would kill them much faster, resulting in more isk/blink. Another idea would be to split the forsaken hubs or rallypoints into smaller waves. This way we won't have so many rats shooting us at the same time, but rather destroying them in smaller chunks at a time.

Just my 2 cents.

WH's are not affected. Look for Greyscales post one page back.

The change was to fix a Bug (borderline exploit per CCP Greyscale) where shooting certain structures would spawn the waves before they were supposed to.

1. Not silent. CCP Greyscale mentioned it in here, and it was on SISI well before patch day.
2. Before the change (which was classed as a bugfix) Drone hubs were possibly the best isk/hr anomalies availiable
3. Dunno anything about this
4. Half agreed. Drone Poo needs to go in order to allow mining to be a viable profession in Eve.

RaZor, for many, yes, this is what they are voicing if you asked them why they are upset. However, there are underlying reasons about why it makes them that upset. I wrote up quite a long report on exactly what difference this has made to running hordes. I've tried to make it understandable to anyone that doesn't live in drone regions. I realize it's long, but please read it if you want to know exactly what the issue is.

http://www.orderofatlas.com/eve/drone_hordes.pdf

I don't know exactly what the value of other anoms were per-patch, and it probably wasn't balanced anyway. However, having lived in both bounty space and drone space, I would say that before drone regions were fine -because- you could cherry pick BS's. They weren't terrible, or buffed from what I felt, just different.


It's been quite a while since I've flown subcaps in anoms, of either type, but I'll try to answer. I think it nerfed everyone. In other regions you still only need one pilot in one site. In drone regions a subcap pilot would still trip the bunkers one at a time, kind of like waves, and salvage after. However, now subcap pilots cannot cherry pick BS's either. Of course, this did affect cap pilots more than others because of the fact that it could gather aggro and tank the entire site.


I both agree and disagree with this. I agree that carrier pilots can use carriers to run sites without much fear, but I think this goes for any competent carrier pilot in sov 0.0 space. Pay attention to intel channels, know where the reds are, don't go AFK, etc. However, this doesn't mean that they are quiet. PL has been known to come after our capital ships in the very recent past. NC. roams down at least once a day for fights. TNT and other entities have had covert ops gangs in our space recently as well.

I can't speak for every drone region in the game of course, I only see my little region on a daily basis. However, compairing it to other (non-drone) regions I've lived in, it's about the same I think.


I hate highsec, so you won't catch me back there for any amount of ISK :P I'll also leave that debate (that is, highsec income, lv4's, incursions, etc) to others. I'm only trying to compare what should be roughly equal parts of the game, incursions aren't really in the same category as anoms. Also, as I replied to someone else, I don't mind anoms being different, so long as the difficulties in one area are balanced by easiness, which is kinda how I viewed them pre-patch.

Per CCP Greyscale, it was was a bug. They didn't nerf them, they fixed the bug. (He also said it was a near-exploit) Sounds to me like you should count yourself as happy you had the mineral BPOs as long as you did.

The question is whether if this is intended or not by CCP? CCP has stated that they think 0.0 should be not balanced to create conflict. I said they think this. Does it happen? Not really (except for the idiocy that is tech), but that's beside the point.

Maybe upon review of anomalies they "suddenly" discovered this bug and decided to fix it because drone lands were never intended to make as much. I could sadly believe this.

What you should be asking greyscale is if Dronelands SHOULD be making as much isk as other parts of space.

Establish that first, then continue on your crusade to get them buffed. Its obvious they nerfed them, they *should* see that, but who knows.

Hell, Im curious to what gresycale thinks what the maximum isk/hour should be in 0.0 in a solo ship.

I would think that, if this was their philosophy, that they wouldn't have balanced every other anom in every other region. However, you're right about asking Grayscale, and I have been. I opened a petition shortly after my first look at the new hordes asking if the "nerf" was intentional, or just an unforeseen side effect. I requested Grayscale be shown my data so he would know exactly what I was talking about. Now I can't discuss petitions but I can tell you that I never got an answer to my question or a response to my data, either here or on the forums, from any CCP member (that I know about, and I'm pretty sure I'm watching most of these threads).

Without knowing if it was intentional or an unforeseen effect, it's hard to know what direction to take. It would be nice to get a response from someone about this.

Edit: Ugh, I just posted that and realized what a wall of text I made it with the quotes. It would help if the quote boxes didn't have giant spaces under them, sorry :(



I still think they intended for a balance to occur, here's why...
From the dev blog.

I could be reading that wrong, but that sounds kinda like they balanced them to me. They made a goal and buffed each a bit until it reached that goal. If they are all at that same target average, then they would be (more or less) balanced correct?


This was in reference to the Drone regions, but the fact that he said balancing on bounties makes me assume that it was a "balance" they were going for. Perhaps this was just a bad choice of words, and if so I won't hold it against him, but that's where I got that impression.


While I was looking back through the posts I also found him saying this, in regards to fixing the drone anoms. When he said in line he was either referring to the wave mechanism (in which case true, they are in line) or he truly meant in line, as in balanced, in which case no. Again, we don't know though because they haven't responded directly to this.

Now, in fairness to your argument...

Now, on page 8 Grayscale said "we still don't have the tools to properly assess their worth". So I'm not sure how they knew that the amount of money was way higher than intended. Personally I think that it was their assumption that the amount was way higher than intended and they wanted to tune it down to be more like the others. However, it's also possible that they truly did want to nerf the drones because they don't want to make space balanced.

He said roughly the same thing in response to a post of mine a few pages later.

Again though, you're correct, it comes down to what CCP thinks, I'm mostly just having fun hashing out the finer details with players until CCP comes along with a statement.

CCP Grayscale, if you could come back to this thread and respond to a few questions?
1) Was it your intention to make all bounty anoms balanced?
2) Was it your intention to make drone region anoms worth less than the rest of Eve?
2) Was it your intention to make all anoms (including drone regions) balanced?
4) If the answer to both #1 and #2 are yes, then why single out drone regions?
5) If #2 is no, do you plan on revisiting drone anoms and assessing their value?
6) If you do balance drone regions, can we get a rough ETA?

I tried to keep the questions fairly simple and yes or no just so I could gauge where CCP stands on this. I would appreciate as much elaboration as you can/will give though. You asked in the dev blog for any data we've collected "in the wild". For reference, here is what I've put together for current drone sites. http://www.orderofatlas.com/eve/drone_hordes.pdf

Do we have any sort of an ETA on when the anomilies are going to be done. Again.