Ships & Modules

I haven't seen a single battleship in pvp in the last 3 months of play in Stain. Just dont' see them. I'm current in one but smartbombing Rokh for relic sites, other than that anything you run into will warp off before you can lock them. Even two sensor boosters on a battleship with scripts will barely get you past a BC with no sensor booster. You'll only catch afk'rs imo.

I take a Hyperion and can Rail fit it with t2 sentries and actually break 1k dps and be able to hit things in the mid range.

Rokh gets ****** dps, but has a little extra tank

Raven can get massive dps but cant hit **** more than 10km away and torpedos are so slow a cruiser with an mwd can out range the missile before it hits.

Wrong,Wrong and Wrong.

Try a dual rep, blaster myrm.
Try a XL ASB, Blaster Rokh
Try a RHML or Cruise Raven
Also a maxed out torp raven can hit out to 30km+ not even using javelins

Please Lurk more before posting stupid ****.

This from a troll living in True Coward space.

I routinely PVP in various null-sec locations (yay wormholes) and often come across battleships in both PvE and PvP situations. Frequently people are in dominix (drones+flexible slot layout) means it is highly adaptable. Unless your interceptor has a cap injector or a nos...this varies person to person...it can be quite hard to keep them on the field. Ravens are still popular. In w-space we normally only take out battleships for defensive purposes and even then usually bhaalgorns and vindis due to neuts and heavy webs respectively. We also occasionally do small hyperion fleets for fun. People have a tendency to blob a BS though more than anything else.

#feartheBS

Im glad you mention the raven. Right now I belive the raven hulls to be one of the most adaptable and most fun ship lines right now.

Pretty much this. As this was my first character and I of course wanted bigger/better ships - I went the Battleship route. I rarely fy a battleship outside of PVE environments, it's outclassed by sig, speed, (in some cases tank), and utility by cruiser hulls. Tracking is often an issue.

Other than the EHP boost and good paper damage I'd rather pass. Plus for the XL ASB rokh fit - you can XL ASB a slepneir pretty easily too...

Really? Really?!? hehe I bet you got that idea from battleclinic where all the win loadouts are, hah torps. But seriously, Raven is nice, you fly it range tanking with cruise missiles. A very popular first BS for many working their way to CNR's. But for the T1's in general, like many have said, they are cost effective, especially in situations of blowing holes through large collidable objects. Then some special roles like with my Scorp, which too is cost effective compared to some of the other ewar ships available from T2 cruiser on up. It's ok though, I blame battleclinic with their high rated officer loadout ravens sporting torps, rated up by bored WoW players.

BS do just fine vs cruisers, they simply require more thought and a willingness to commit.

As others have said, Battleships are most commonly used as ships of the line in large-scale engagements. Their primary advantages are that they are fairly powerful without being unduly expensive, are easy to replace, and are easy for line members to train into, especially now that the grind for T2 guns has been smoothed out.

T3s offer better overall performance, but at twice the price, significantly higher skill requirements to utilize acceptably, and come with a three-day skill train for your pilots whenever one pops. Few compositions are better in a fight you are winning, but in a protracted campaign not every battle is going to be a one-sided dunk and T3 fleets simply cannot afford to absorb losses on the scale that inevitably occurs for the workhorse ships in a real war. They're still a very powerful tool to have in the arsenal and are popular across Nullsec for good reason, but everyone who has tried to rely on them too heavily has ended up learning the same lesson, including the CFC.

HACs aren't as expensive or difficult to replace as T3s, but are also significantly less powerful. Compared to Battleships, those which are suited to fleet combat (so no, we're not talking about Vagabonds) have strengths and weaknesses; they have less raw damage and EHP, but a much more powerful sig tank and better damage application. However, a problem they have is that Battleship fleets will generally have support ships that mitigate the effectiveness of sig tanks. Even for an afterburning, skirmish-boosted AHAC, it's pretty difficult to avoid fire when you're triple-webbed and lit up like a disco ball by target painters. This is also ignoring the existence of Sentry fleets, which even after all the nerfs still give you the option of a bunch of battleships that track like they have medium guns.


Cruiser-sized hulls also have an Achilles Heel in their capacitors. Even the fanciest of them are still just medium-sized hulls at the end of the day. That means no heavy Neuts for killing capitals. More critically, it means, no prop, guns, or active hardeners if they get within 40km of the Armageddons that will inevitably be included in every single armor Battleship fleet. This means a very bad day for any sort of close range HAC fleet like Zealots or HAM Tengus.


Admittedly, Battleships have fairly limited viability in anything smaller than a mid-sized fleet. There are some that work, but even something like a Syndicate Killdozer Armageddon still suffers the problem of being tediously slow to move around in, especially after the changes to warp speed. Nobody wants to wait for the guy in the battleship on their Nano roam, even if the ship itself is perfectly suited to a 6-man pileup.


PS MJDs are pretty damned cool and nobody else gets to have them.