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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1981 - 2014-04-03 09:40:08 UTC
Especially coming from the guy who illegally claimed to be a lawyer, then edited it out of his posts when called on it, accusations of being someone's alt are pretty hilarious.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1982 - 2014-04-03 09:42:17 UTC
Also: Learn to read; He is calling you a troll Lol Forgetting to mention how much of a moron and an idiot we and our alts all think you are.

D.

Bear

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Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1983 - 2014-04-03 09:44:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
To get back on track after yet another failed attempt to cry the truth away from salvos the moron;
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Soltys wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Harassment poses a potential problem in any virtual world, and CCP has dealt with cases of this nature for more than a decade. We will continue to monitor and evaluate claims of harassment based on our policies and acceptable standards of behavior.

As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.

- The EVE Universe Community Team


And that turns the whole discussion about the recent events into a mockery. Do you know why ?

Because people consider you HYPOCRITES by now. And one doesn't have serious discussion with hypocrites - because there's no point to it for obvious reasons.

You claim A and do B - and what is more saddening - apply it selectively on your whim and personal preferences.

- Someone is in bed with CCP (csm, friend of one, friend of gm, whatever else) ? Have fun.
- No connections ? Sucks to be you.

Any discussions related directly or indirectly to E1 on the forum - unless the CCP cleans up their backyard (and that means a) unbanning E1 /or/ b) banning both Sokhar (RL threats) as well as majority of other scammers that ever did anything involving out of game communication channels) - is a farce.


And a bit on a side note, recollecting all the information about the "incident". I don't get it tbh. Sokhar - hands down 100% willingly everything he owns on the account to a well known scammer - which makes Sokhar a total imbecile with masochistic tendentions - and then again 100% willingly proceeds to play eve/voip minigames (ones almost as old as EvE itself) - then makes a big fuss about it inc. real life threats and then .... E1 gets banned ?

What the **** ?
Real life harrasment ******* where on E1's side ?
Real life threats on Sokhar's side - check. Why is he still in game ?

Well said to be honest, also just saw this: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-04-01-was-ccp-right-to-ban-this-eve-online-player

""If Bonus Rounds were a problem, CCP should have let me know," he concluded. "Instead, they accepted biased opinions as fact and made a decision based on poor perceptions of what the media might think." very true

also salvos is indeed a very bad troll - he wasn't trying to wound you, just stating the obvious !BURN!

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SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1984 - 2014-04-03 09:49:11 UTC
inb4 even more how torture is bad and studies proof how you can keep someone unwillingly in an environment against their will (that are actually not related to virtual gaming worlds or teamspeak servers in any way).

I disagree
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1985 - 2014-04-03 11:12:51 UTC  |  Edited by: SKINE DMZ
Salvos, you actually had something to say in the beginning, save yourself embarrassment and stop, let the guys who do have something to say get on with venting their BS in this thread. Roll

INb4 salvos quotes me saying I confirmed I talk BS (predictable troll is predictable)

I disagree
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1986 - 2014-04-03 11:24:19 UTC
Yes Salvos. Trolling is prohibited. The issue here is that you are a troll, so...
It seems most threads you are part of end the same way, which is where you get confused then start insulting everyone. Good job buddy!

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Brakor
Heavy Water Industries
#1987 - 2014-04-03 12:53:03 UTC
Could somebody plz end this.
This is turning into meaningless mudslinging and an embarrassment for the community
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#1988 - 2014-04-03 13:52:12 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Welcome to the New Eve, where you can write an inflammatory blog post, claim an individual you don't like is literally a torturer (or rapist, as Ripard has done before) and get them banned for stupid, trifling things like making someone sing a song.

Welcome to the themepark Ripard has been dreaming of since he first mistakenly started playing

Edit: I also don't quite agree with Malcanis' reasoning for being happy sohkar isn't banned, as he's arguing that someone issuing real life death threats and spewing racist remarks is, in certain contexts, allowable. That's another dangerous, stupid precedent to set.

At the same time, I am happy sohkar isn't banned because I don't think he should be banned for an emotional outburst made entirely outside of EVE and all other CCPs services... but thats where the inconsistency comes in, since Ero was banned

So much this.

Essentially they killed the 'sandbox' with banning Ero 1. That's the bottom line. You can no longer claim "Everything Is Fair Game" on your fricken EvE Gate homepage, and you can no longer market EvE as a 'sandbox' anymore, not when you ultimately ban a player for meta play outside the game.

All the rationalizations and moral hand wringing are irrelevant to that main point. CCP has killed the sandbox and meta play for everyone now, who must look over their shoulders while they scam and mess with other people, wondering if their target's plight will catch the attention of some future CSM who will take umbrage at it and get them banned.

Sandbox. Meh.

F

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Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#1989 - 2014-04-03 13:54:30 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:

Essentially they killed the 'sandbox' with banning Ero 1. That's the bottom line. You can no longer claim "Everything Is Fair Game" on your fricken EvE Gate homepage, and you can no longer market EvE as a 'sandbox' anymore, not when you ultimately ban a player for meta play outside the game.

All the rationalizations and moral hand wringing are irrelevant to that main point. CCP has killed the sandbox and meta play for everyone now, who must look over their shoulders while they scam and mess with other people, wondering if their target's plight will catch the attention of some future CSM who will take umbrage at it and get them banned.

Sandbox. Meh.

F


That about sums it up.


\m/ O.o \m/

"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
Loko Crackhead
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1990 - 2014-04-03 15:57:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Loko Crackhead
Your bloody drafts saving ate my post CCP.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#1991 - 2014-04-03 16:36:48 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Some people (and their numerous alts) here should be careful what they say, so they don't contradict what they said in the threadnaught :)


Apparently having your own alts argue with one-another is the trendy thing to do now days.

I have no idea who we are talking about BTW.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#1992 - 2014-04-03 18:15:05 UTC
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#1993 - 2014-04-03 19:25:36 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
This.


Is that supposed to make someone fall over and realise that their moral standpoint was incorrect? Someone spouting the same arguments that have been espoused, over and over, in this same thread.

You really must do better than this.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1994 - 2014-04-03 19:36:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
Jayem See wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
This.


Is that supposed to make someone fall over and realise that their moral standpoint was incorrect? Someone spouting the same arguments that have been espoused, over and over, in this same thread.

You really must do better than this.


The amount of shoveling he'll need to do to get your head from out of... err... the ground is just not worth the effort.
Most of the arguments have indeed been made, sometimes not so eloquent. at the very least, he'll now be sure his 'work' wasn't for nothing, CCP can't delete his blog (Yet!).

I haven't seen you make a good case for anything in these threads either, by the way. Step up your game, son, before you don't have a game left.

To give more body to the post before it gets deleted, I'll just spout some of the same arguments that already have been espoused over and over but got deleted somehow;
Stop being stupid and concede knee-jerk reactions to personnal crusades of CSM members are NOT good policy.
Keep everything as is and communicate with players while they explore the unique selling point of your game; Being the villain.
Give them one chance to cross the invisible line, warn them, reel them back in.
If they continue after that. Make them play WOW or whatever.

Stop with the EA/Blizzard/... bullcrap before you loose everything you've been working for the last 10 years.
I could believe there has been a debate and there was a breach of EULA and ripard's terrible blog post wasn't involved if anyone at any point in time had bothered to communicate with the perceived perpetrator and victim before, during or after the 'facts'.

Not CCP nor CSM did anything of the sort. Heck even the reason specified for banning Erotica 1 = blank.
No inspiration? Morale crusaders are hardly ever inspired.

D.

Bear

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Liese Shardani
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1995 - 2014-04-03 19:59:29 UTC
I doubt those who've already dug in on the "Ripard Teg got Erotica banned" and "CCP had no jurisdiction/was wrong to ban him" positions will care one way or another, but the podcasts linked by Mike Azariah in his CSM thread are very informative (insofar as his NDA allows) about what actually has been going on.
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#1996 - 2014-04-03 20:04:41 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Jayem See wrote:
[quote=Feyd Rautha Harkonnen]This.


I haven't seen you make a good case for anything in these threads either, by the way. Step up your game, son, before you don't have a game left.

Bear


Rofl - I have been entirely consistent in my position all the way through this. I haven't budged.

The amusing part of it all is people who think that the sky is falling down on their heads.

Nothing has changed.

CCP had, and have, the right to deny somebody access if they feel it is negative to their IP.

You might disagree - but you are in the minority.

Whilst I might agree that a "talking to" could have been enough, the reality of enforcing it may be next to impossible. So the line has been drawn. Approach it at your own peril.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#1997 - 2014-04-03 20:05:39 UTC
Liese Shardani wrote:
I doubt those who've already dug in on the "Ripard Teg got Erotica banned" and "CCP had no jurisdiction/was wrong to ban him" positions will care one way or another, but the podcasts linked by Mike Azariah in his CSM thread are very informative (insofar as his NDA allows) about what actually has been going on.


Cheers - seem to have been listening to a lot of podcasts recently =)

Aaaaaaand relax.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1998 - 2014-04-03 20:20:16 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
This.


Very good write up. CCP is like any company and they sometimes cave to pressure.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1999 - 2014-04-03 20:23:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Jayem See wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Jayem See wrote:
[quote=Feyd Rautha Harkonnen]This.


I haven't seen you make a good case for anything in these threads either, by the way. Step up your game, son, before you don't have a game left.

Bear


Rofl - I have been entirely consistent in my position all the way through this. I haven't budged.

The amusing part of it all is people who think that the sky is falling down on their heads.

Nothing has changed.

CCP had, and have, the right to deny somebody access if they feel it is negative to their IP.

You might disagree - but you are in the minority.

Whilst I might agree that a "talking to" could have been enough, the reality of enforcing it may be next to impossible. So the line has been drawn. Approach it at your own peril.
Being consistent doesn't mean you are stating a good case. You can be consistently wrong.

And you say nothing has changed, but that is clearly 100% definitively wrong. Up until this CCP did not, ever, under any circumstances get involved in out of games communications, regardless of if they were related to the game. Now they have on one occasion gone against this, which sets up precedent for the next time something happens out of game. Hell, eve DJ Funkybacon has expressed concern over some of the out of game competition pieces they hold. To say nothing has changed is categorically wrong.

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Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#2000 - 2014-04-03 20:30:36 UTC
I might be consistently wrong but I don't think so.

Quote:
Up until this CCP did not, ever, under any circumstances get involved in out of games communications


CCP found someone doing something that they found objectionable. That "something" had a direct influence in their game. They are entirely within their rights to refuse access to their game. The fact it was on TS is a complete misdirection.

Nobody has pushed it that far before in order to maintain an in-game reputation. They haven't had to step in before. This time they felt they had to, from their own moral standpoint.

Aaaaaaand relax.