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Maekchu
Doomheim
#41 - 2014-04-03 03:40:10 UTC
Wow, this was a fun read. I cannot understand how someone can get so worked up over space pixels and the inability to adapt.

To any new EVE player reading this, remember that EVE, in its essence is a PvP environment. Even if you don't engage in direct PvP activity, you will engage in indirect PvP activity, no matter what profession you take. You might think mining and industry is PvE, as well as shooting rats. But you still compete with other players on the market for better prices for your loot, thus in this way engage in PvP activities.

Don't get discouraged by ganking as this guy did. If you understand what you do, and do it right. You should not become a target of ganks, or should be able to avoid them.

However, ganking is as much a part of EVE as PvEing is. It's a way some people have chosen to play the game, just as miners have chosen to stare at rocks all day. We might disagree at the different playstyle, but in the end of the day, we should tolerate each other. Because both parts are essential for the EVE economy to work. Industrialists are needed to build ships and modules, injecting assets into the game, while gankers and PvPers are needed to remove assets for the game in order to create demand.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#42 - 2014-04-03 05:13:05 UTC
Maekchu wrote:
Wow, this was a fun read. I cannot understand how someone can get so worked up over space pixels and the inability to adapt.


He's just trolling. No one could possibly have even the slightest exposure to Eve's advertising or reputation and not know that it's a PvP/competitive game.

It was worth making the "everything in Eve is PvP" post again on principle, since it's the new player forum, but no, OP is pretty definitely not 'real' as such. Don't worry about it.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#43 - 2014-04-03 05:30:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Risk and loss are just a part of EVE that you either learn to accept and deal with, or you won't enjoy EVE.

I could lose everything, and recover eventually. I just hope if that does happen, it is an epic story I can tell again and again! Big smile

EVE is more about social interaction than spaceships anyways.

I'm an industrialist. I don't consider myself a carebear. I've been playing EVE for over 5 years now, and have 5 paid accounts because I enjoy EVE so much. Our alliance has an active wardec by a corp that seems to specialize in killing miners... and still I'm having fun.
Jared Lennox
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-04-03 05:42:57 UTC
Pravus Karal wrote:
Who or what is the New Order?

So even if i mind my own business and ant away, avoiding combat, someone will come by and shoot at me for it? WTF?


Why, hellooou o/ Welcome to EVE, where bad guys win. CODE wishes you to enjoy your stay and consider purchasing a mining permit.

My job here is done,

New Order Agent
Jared Lennox

http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#45 - 2014-04-03 09:02:26 UTC
Some threads are better in GD.

Sabriz as usual is awesome, jpoll same, everyone gave great answers. Play the game, enjoy yourself, but don't call people names and assume they are attacking you because they are
Quote:
angry teenagers who want to vent their frustrations on others from the safety of their bedrooms.


People aren't attacking you because they are angry or frustrated. They are attacking you because that is the kind of game this is. If you want to play an fps game but want to play a pacifist, do so if you want, just don't be surprised or angry at all the other players actively hunting you down.

As said above, Eve is the game for everyone to play how they want and is founded on the emergent gameplay that occurs when player's goals clash.

Still, it is rare in NC to have a thread hit 3 pages in less than a day. Grats.

OP, if you really want to complain about getting troll answers, go post in GD.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#46 - 2014-04-03 11:20:11 UTC
Pravus Karal wrote:
I really have no interest in PvP

Wrong game then, it's really that simple. Others already explained the game thrives on emergent gameplay and risk-vs-reward mechanics. You might go as far as to minimize PVP encounters and focus on getting away instead of fighting back. You can run, but you cannot hide. PVP will find you eventually.

Pravus Karal wrote:
EVE was pitched as "do what you like".

Google libertarianism. Or heck, even google what ideology the Church Of Satan proposes, and you get a good idea what "do what you like" actually means. You may classify people that gank, scam and extort to be bad human beings, but did you do this to your friend when you played Cops and Robbers back in the day? No, you were playing a role, a game, and nobody hated you for being the bad guy.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#47 - 2014-04-03 11:41:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
OP Eve obviously isn't the game for you, there's no shame in admitting it because not everybody gets it. It's not a mass appeal game, and hopefully never will be; some of us like it being dark and harsh, despite not directly engaging in explosions.

As other have said Eve is very much a PvP centric game, there is no safe area unless you're a newbie, and in certain solar systems.

Everything you do, even mining, is in competition with other players, as such the removal of competition via any means necessary, including violence is common practice, and explicitly allowed.

Scams, extortion rackets, suicide attacks, random wars etc are accepted ways of getting ahead and just as valid a way of playing as mining, trading, running missions, building stuff etc are. Cutthroat business practices are taken seriously here.

You may find Star Citizen more to your liking when it's released, similar setting, not so brutal in its design or play.

Fly safe in whatever game you try next 07

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Hecules Flanagan
Noob Mercs
Monkeys with Guns.
#48 - 2014-04-03 12:34:44 UTC
Pravus Karal wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:
If you think you can just turn on your mining lasers and go take a nap, however, expect PvP to come to you while you are sleeping.


For no other reason than because we can. Right.

Well too late for your scavenging, all of my resources are now in the empty void where abandoned characters go, along with the deleted files on my hard drive.

Why am i still here? I guess out of sheer amazement of how low people can sink when there is nobody there to govern them.
As a social experiment, EVE sure makes the worst in people come through.



I feel you may benefit from some kind of psychiatric help. You say you carry a gun and yet keep referring to wanting to rip out peoples throats etc. You hint you are a cop and yet you say Eve brings out the worst in people. Seriously? I take it you have never been to a murder or a ****. THEY show the worst in people. Eve is a game for God sake.

I worry about you and anyone you encounter as you are a loose cannon ready to blow.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#49 - 2014-04-03 12:55:23 UTC
Pravus Karal wrote:
EVE was pitched as "do what you like".

I'd like to mine to buy myself a nice ship, possibly go explore and kill an NPC rat here or there.

With people of unmentionable adjectives about, like that order nonsense, that puts a big wet turd on the whole thing.

Unfortunately my PLEX doesn't run out for another 60 days and that's it for me and my EVE experience. I can't say it was fun since all of my work and avoiding other people's childish antics is for naught. So i might as well quit. Ugh


Well not every game is for every player. I personally cant stand wow, and theme park games in general. I also have a particular dislike for anything made by soe. Good luck in your new game. If you have acquired any stuff can I have it before you go?

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-04-03 13:37:21 UTC
Wow I normally visit these areas for some refreshment, to help.. but here.. this guy... can we frame this as the definition of a carebear?

I disagree
Zanzbar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2014-04-03 13:54:38 UTC
Pravus Karal wrote:
EVE was pitched as "do what you like".

I'd like to mine to buy myself a nice ship, possibly go explore and kill an NPC rat here or there.

With people of unmentionable adjectives about, like that order nonsense, that puts a big wet turd on the whole thing.

Unfortunately my PLEX doesn't run out for another 60 days and that's it for me and my EVE experience. I can't say it was fun since all of my work and avoiding other people's childish antics is for naught. So i might as well quit. Ugh



phrases such as "eve is hard" and "be the villian" are widely used in their web adds.

and "going into eixle" is not what people are saying you need to be safe in highsec, the are basic things you learn to look for just like in real life. the suburbs may not be as dangerous as the getto, but in either place you should look before you cross the street, and that about as basic as the things needed to stay alive in highsec are.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-04-03 14:25:40 UTC
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Wow I normally visit these areas for some refreshment, to help.. but here.. this guy... can we frame this as the definition of a carebear?


So long as we can agree that people who don't match that definition aren't.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-04-03 14:39:35 UTC
Seriously, though:

There's competition all over the place; it's a sad fact in EVE. People will undercut you in the marketplace, people will kamikaze you for your equipment (or sometimes just to have an evil laugh), people will roll out fleets of mining barges and empty a system's asteroid belts within an hour of downtime, people will be general all-purpose sadistic beepity-boops.

But they're not everywhere. It's entirely possible to find an out-of-the-way system that can become a sort of "suburban home". There are resource-rich empire systems that will go months - literally - without a gank, and that will provide a nice productive Zen-like experience. You've just got to dig into resources like the Dotlan maps and find them.

Low-sec is pirate/militia country; it's either a war zone or a hunting ground, so the "interesting" stuff comes with significant risk. Null is even more so, unless you happen to have an "in" with sovereignty-holding outfits, in which case, it's potentially the safest space around, if you're willing to pay the price.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Lotsa Pain
Doomheim
#54 - 2014-04-03 14:53:27 UTC
Pravus Karal wrote:
EVE was pitched as "do what you like".

I'd like to mine to buy myself a nice ship, possibly go explore and kill an NPC rat here or there.

With people of unmentionable adjectives about, like that order nonsense, that puts a big wet turd on the whole thing.

Unfortunately my PLEX doesn't run out for another 60 days and that's it for me and my EVE experience. I can't say it was fun since all of my work and avoiding other people's childish antics is for naught. So i might as well quit. Ugh



You can't play eve alone! At the begin you can explore it yourself. Once you start to get into it in earnest you need to join a group of players who are like minded.

There are groups for everyone, from drooling and expletive spewing riffraff goon groups to academic idealists. Funny thing.... many players belong to a spectrum of groups. One alt the facade alt of the proper tradesman and gentleman, the other alt the impersonation of evil. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde... Go, accept the role play of it all. Enjoy slipping into skins and out of them. Eve is and should not be your real life equivalent.

PLAY!

Observe, learn, go down the rabbit hole and peel the layers of the onion eve is... slowly and with good humor.
Once ganked, look at the facts.... most likely you asked for it. Prepare, outsmart....

Best of luck and give it another try. Enjoy the chaos....

LP
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#55 - 2014-04-03 14:58:19 UTC
Pravus Karal wrote:
So iv'e been playing for about 2 months now.

Good stuff. I expect that also means you know my final advice is not an insult

Pravus Karal wrote:
Yet everything somehow seems to end with fighting.

Yeah. Awesome game this EVE

Pravus Karal wrote:
I really have no interest in PvP

I do. Others too. You play with others. You know this.

Pravus Karal wrote:
So what exactly is there for me to do if i don't want to stick to high sec space all the time?

The exact same thing as in high sec just to begin with. Just more "intense", more interaction, more MMO-like.

Others dont need to mess up your day by attacking you. The best way to make that happen is by accepting the possibility of it. Cos that allows you to deal with it. Both mentally as ingame. You can actively avoid being attacked. As a matter of fact, its easier to do that OUTSIDE h-sec. Where you can see them coming.

So my advice: HTFU

Welcome to EVE m8

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#56 - 2014-04-03 18:20:31 UTC
Yarda Black wrote:
Pravus Karal wrote:
So iv'e been playing for about 2 months now.

Good stuff. I expect that also means you know my final advice is not an insult

Pravus Karal wrote:
Yet everything somehow seems to end with fighting.

Yeah. Awesome game this EVE

Pravus Karal wrote:
I really have no interest in PvP

I do. Others too. You play with others. You know this.

Pravus Karal wrote:
So what exactly is there for me to do if i don't want to stick to high sec space all the time?

The exact same thing as in high sec just to begin with. Just more "intense", more interaction, more MMO-like.

Others dont need to mess up your day by attacking you. The best way to make that happen is by accepting the possibility of it. Cos that allows you to deal with it. Both mentally as ingame. You can actively avoid being attacked. As a matter of fact, its easier to do that OUTSIDE h-sec. Where you can see them coming.

So my advice: HTFU

Welcome to EVE m8



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Slymah
DorpCorp
#57 - 2014-04-03 19:29:25 UTC
Skittish Toombs. Very skittish.
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#58 - 2014-04-03 23:32:29 UTC
Hecules Flanagan wrote:
Pravus Karal wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:
If you think you can just turn on your mining lasers and go take a nap, however, expect PvP to come to you while you are sleeping.


For no other reason than because we can. Right.

Well too late for your scavenging, all of my resources are now in the empty void where abandoned characters go, along with the deleted files on my hard drive.

Why am i still here? I guess out of sheer amazement of how low people can sink when there is nobody there to govern them.
As a social experiment, EVE sure makes the worst in people come through.



I feel you may benefit from some kind of psychiatric help. You say you carry a gun and yet keep referring to wanting to rip out peoples throats etc. You hint you are a cop and yet you say Eve brings out the worst in people. Seriously? I take it you have never been to a murder or a ****. THEY show the worst in people. Eve is a game for God sake.

I worry about you and anyone you encounter as you are a loose cannon ready to blow.


Yeah, this guy definitely should not have a gun and a badge if he can't handle a video game.

And Sabriz, I'd buy you a beer too P.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#59 - 2014-04-03 23:35:05 UTC
Genseric Tollaris wrote:

And Sabriz, I'd buy you a beer too P.



Nothing is stopping you. Free beer, best beer.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Seraphi Nephalis
Seraphi Nephalis Corporation
#60 - 2014-04-04 01:53:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraphi Nephalis
I think part of the problem is that when you first start EVE there is an illusion of save PVE. It took me a LOT of reading and a LOT of questions to realize just how dangerous even HighSec can be. If a person jumped into EVE because they thought it was a really in-depth space sim, and didn't look past the surface, I can see how they'd be VERY surprised when the true nature of the game was fully realized.

In the case of the OP, it seem pretty clear to me that he'd been enjoying himself for some time, and was fortunate enough to get away with a fairly lackadaisical approach for far too long. He become emotionally invested in a certain playstyle. Then the rug got pulled out from under him. Or rather, the blinders removed from his eyes.

I think the saddest part is that he didn't actually suffer any losses. It was the IMAGINED losses and the threat of POSSIBLE attacks that had him the most bent out of shape. He wasn't even willing to consider that changing his view of the game might result in enjoyment.


One of the most interesting things is that during my own research of how the game works, I've discovered that there's all kinds of ways to make it hard for suicide gankers to get you. Even something as simple as using a mission room cleared of rats to mine in. Not to mention wormhole space, or joining a corp that has a pretty secure lock on a part of nullsec where you could do your thing in relative peace.

To each his own, I guess.

"What a sad world we live in, where politeness is mistaken for weakness."  - Usagi Yojimbo