Player Features and Ideas Discussion

People who multi-box carriers ratting in null pull in about 300M/hour. consistently.

Lets take this a step at a time.

First: Why should Null be uncontrollably more dangerous than it is? The point of nullsec is that players can own it. They can defend it. The point of owning and defending space is so that you can do what you want with it, including turning it into a daycare center if you want. Is there a reason other than meaningless phrases like "Sandbox" or "Because Nullsec" that it needs more uncontrollable risk?

Second: You are confidant that you can kill that Golem with your Curse. Should he be less confidant you are correct? How much is he risking by staying vs. What you are risking? Did he even have a point to tackle you with for that defense fleet to get there? Is he losing anything by fleeing compared to the price of his ship?

The situation should be obvious. His defensive strategy was evasion. Since hard tackle is can be applied indefinitely by any size ship and smaller ships are all but immune to the offensive capabilities of larger ships without substancial support his best and only move was to evade preemtively because if he does risk his ship and he is wrong he is assured to lose that ship. Conversely, You risk a fraction of the resources in your ship should you have misjudged. It is exceedingly unlikely he would have tackle, so you dont even risk non-consensual pvp against him. You are likely to be very resilient to his weapons due to your size and speed. Your only goal was killing, it would not have a big deal if his ship had been entirely unfit while his goal was whatever PvE activity he was out there for.

Bottom line: In that encounter he had lost the moment you warped in, because he wanted to PvE and now cannot. He further risks far more than you regardless of his chances of winning. You have nothing he wants except your absence, and providing you with a target and one sided fun wont get him that. You can take nothing more from him except his far more valuable ship as there is nothing in that space that you want or can take that wont be there later. Further, he has people that do enjoy fighting on standby... But rather than fight people who want to fight you moan about the guy who did exactly as he should have in evading you.

The thing you wont understand about carebears is that they dont care about the fighting itself. Regardless of how much you want to kill them, you are not a challenge in their eyes, just a hassle to be avoided until they can go back to playing the way they like-- in theory just as sandbox as your way.

This is EVE.

I am not focused on trying to win the battles.
I am not focused on trying to win the wars.
I don't really care how much ISK I make, either.

To me, it's just a game.
All I want to do is have fun.

If I can have fun flying ships, then that is what I will do, regardless of whether they cloak or mine ore.
I think, especially in an MMO, I can have more fun flying ships with another player, than by trying to avoid them.
If that means we shoot pretend lasers on a computer screen, that's just awesome.

At the end of the day, I am paying to play a game, and if I did not have fun, it was done wrong on some level.

Please stop creating incentives for me to avoid other players when I PvE, or making it so easy to play the game that the challenge stops being interesting.

I LIKE the other players who are shooting at me.
In that moment, no matter how far apart we are in real life, they are sitting at a computer screen a lot like mine.

And THEY picked that moment to play with ME.
This is a gift.

It is rude to refuse a gift, or run away from it.

I want to play.

In W-space the rate of return depends on a couple things.

1) sites available at any given time (could be 0...could be 20 depending on constellation activity).
2) ability to repeat in other wormholes
3) how you do it

So in a C5/C6 where capital escalations are the common manner of making isk, each site is worth 700-800M (roughly an average).

In general for a team of people it takes (4 dreads*, 2x archon/chimera, one or two loki/rapier+skirmish and armor/siege links)
The dread count can be as low as two if you are a skilled pilot...it also helps to shield tank if you can so save room in those low slots for damage mods.

How nullsec differs and gets a nice income boost:
- you can spawn the same anomalies over and over and over ~infinity.
- steady repeatable and upgradable streams of income.

- WH sites can be run for 4 days in a row before de-spawning (sleepers leave to a nicer place).

We do fine with no local.
A delayed local with a sov upgrade to get instant should be welcomed for more small gang objecctive pvp.
In fact I think every sov upgrade module should have an accompanying POS module that can be assaulted. HP levels should vary making some easier to attack...cyno jammer having lots of hp and a pirate detection array having POCO like HP. You want to maintain your income levels? You should fight for it.

I tend to agree, but my definition of fun differs from some others. As EVE is a sandbox I am as entitled to my playstyle as they are to theirs. I like running missions and exploring space. PvP tactics do not work effectively with my playstyle. It can happen, but its not much fun for me.

Local does not create the incentive to run. The nature of the game does that, with its extremely polarized tactical options, ships designed to exploit resources and be prey few counter options against aggression but flight and hiding.


Hard Tackle denies solo PvP hunters their prey, because in a game where the first action is to prevent any sort of escape attempt preemptive flight becomes the best and probably only viable option for survival.

ofcourse you do fine with no local,. You expose your ships for an hour or so and make as much as nullsec bears in few hours. You have the means to defend yourself when someone tries to gank you. they would have to bring usually bigger force to kill you and with wh mass limits, it's hard. It would be hard to do in nullsec with blops cynos running around throught region and picking off ratters. You can whine as much you like that you get denied pvp from mining barges, but ratting and other nullsec activities don't give as much income as you think. And with no local it would be more dangerous than wormholes, people there would be exposed with their ships to gangs all the time.There would be no benefit from sitting in space that gives a bit more income than hisec but at constant threat of hotdrop.

Who said anything about null getting no local? I'm suggesting a delayed local unless you pay for an upgrade. HAHDURRRR. It wouldn't be any more dangerous in your prime ratting system than it is now...you would just need to pay for the privilege. Oh and people like me could come in and screw with your privilege to create content...that is force you to defend your space.

Obviously you don't look at our killboard...not all that many mining barges on there. We catch plenty of idiot carriers without the need to awox. We routinely engage Goons and Goon renters in actual brawls for fun and if we catch a miner it is rare. Miners are poor prey for the most part. Most cry with unbelievable tears that they got ganked and how life is unfair and it goes on and on and on just like in this thread.

*but but mr. pvp sir I don't wanna be involved in the same game as you so leave me alone!*

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why do all you miners engage in mining without an escort in null?

you just need more team work

Actually, I would not say need, but I would rather say WANT.

I feel it is not optimum game design to make players need something they cannot provide for themselves, in order to enjoy the game.
They should still have a linear style reduced reward for play when others are simply not available.

In some ways, it should be enough that they have the indirect support of those who would build the stations and outposts, as well as anchor the jammers and upgrades.

But, in my opinion, it should never be preferable to play in reduced numbers or solo. Only practical when the option is not available to group.