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Reclaiming Skill Points

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Vartan Sarkisian
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#1 - 2014-04-03 08:58:15 UTC
I would like to see the ability to delete skill points from skills already trained in order to gain those skill points in order to be distributed to other areas either on that same character or on one of the other 2 characters within your account. This is currently possible technically as I remember being given skill points to use when there were technical issues in the past, and was also given skill points for having Destroyers and Battlecruisers trained to V just before they brough in racial training for each of those areas.

Limitations would be only could do it once a year (like a remap) and cost would be 1 plex.

Why: I am sure it is the same with a lot of people in that when first starting EvE our training plans were all over the place, training anything on a whim and a fancy rather than being focused on particular areas such as having an indy character and a pvp character (for example).

Additionally with skills we don’t need/want as baggage on our main characters the cost to upgrade our clones once podded in PVP goes up, if we have the ability to “tidy up” our character training sheet that would at least enable us to transfer sp to another toon in order to reduce the cost of upgrading clones in such a loss.

For example I would like this toon to be more pvp focused, I have all racial frigates to V am aiming to get all racial cruisers to V to. But at the same time I also have a hell of a lot of science skills on this toon which I would like to move to another one of my account characters

The benefit to CCP is that it is an isk sink for players wanting to tidy their characters training tree and for players it enables them to repair bad training choices or even changes the focus on their characters.

sci0gon
Kaira Innovations
#2 - 2014-04-03 09:14:55 UTC
there has been several threads made on the request of getting skillpoints back for several reasons but all of them have been shot down by other players cos they see this as a method of pay2win and that the mistakes we made in the past we should still be stuck with them
Vartan Sarkisian
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#3 - 2014-04-03 10:06:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Vartan Sarkisian
There are always going to be people with different opinions. I can't see how it would be a pay to win situation though, Even if it was allowed only once per character at the cost of 1 plex it would be useful (I think).

If shot down (as I suspect it will be) then perhaps the tutorials should have a greater emphasis on the skillpoints and educate newer players on them in more detail so the issue potentially can be avoided.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-04-03 10:14:07 UTC
I think people get too hung up on skillpoints. Most people will only be using a subsetof skills at any given time and it is only those skills you need to really worry about. Those that you trained and no longer use are irrelevant, and you never know when an area of the game will be worked on that sudden;y draws you back to it.

I'm definitely of the view not to allow this, you made choices and stick by them. ultimately they will have little ipact on your current gamestyle in the end.
sci0gon
Kaira Innovations
#5 - 2014-04-03 10:14:39 UTC
Vartan Sarkisian wrote:
If shot down (as I suspect it will be) then perhaps the tutorials should been a greater emphasis on the skillpoints and educate newer players on them in more detail so the issue potentially can be avoided.


I can see why that is an issue, I've ran through the tutorial missions a few times since it helps increase standings however they are limited to the amount they teach you which is why I believe ccp are currently holding some tutorials too to help players who may have issues like that

personally I'd love to reset some of the skill points I have on one of my characters cos he don't need certain skills which he was trained for at the start anymore for the current play style he currently does however I am fine with how things are even now.
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#6 - 2014-04-03 11:44:49 UTC
Vartan Sarkisian wrote:
I would like to see the ability to delete skill points from skills already trained in order to gain those skill points in order to be distributed to other areas either on that same character or on one of the other 2 characters within your account.



Well I would like to see people use the SEARCH function before posting bad ideas, but I guess that's not going to happen either.


Vartan Sarkisian wrote:
or on one of the other 2 characters within your account


Seriously??? And you can't see how this can be abused????
I had to stop reading there.... so bad... I feel like I need a scalding hot shower.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

Vartan Sarkisian
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#7 - 2014-04-03 12:23:48 UTC
Enjoy your shower...

[there is always at least one isn't there]
Morukk Nuamzzar
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-04-03 12:28:24 UTC
No
Mag's
Azn Empire
#9 - 2014-04-03 12:33:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
No. For all the reasons it's been no before.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-04-03 12:44:55 UTC
No.
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#11 - 2014-04-03 14:19:24 UTC
agreed the curent proposal is not good.

the ONLY case i would like to see this hapening however, is now, and only once.

why? you might ask.

simple:

with the last few updates, CCP made several skill that used to be usefull, kind of useless, like the exploration skills etc....

since the players have no control at all about this, it would make sense that CCP either refound thoses specific skills, or grant everyone the ability to "remap" (maybe for PLEX) but only ONCE / toon, and of course with no possibility to switch SP to another toon

IMAO, the best solution would be that CCP refound the very specific skills SP (and reset set skill to 0 indeed), so players cannot vantage this to actually remap completely unrelated skills.

this way, ppl still wanting to use them can, and those who get "screwed" (cause yes, that is what happen for explo) of their SP investment, can at least get back the weeks / month worth of raining that CCP stole from them
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#12 - 2014-04-03 14:59:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
Fixed your post.

Vartan Sarkisian wrote:
I would like to see the ability to Search the Forums from threads already posted in order to view repeated ideas in order to stop incessantly repeating the threads on that same topic or on one of the other 2 million similar threads This is currently possible technically as a search function is provided to use when there were technically capable posters in the past, and was also utilized by competent posters for having informed, well rounded ideas just before they posted pros and cons in a balanced manner for each of those areas.

Limitations on your forum capabilities are understandable, but you need to improve.

Why: I am sure it is the same with a lot of people in that when first starting reading our forums were all over the place, posting anything on a whim and a fancy rather than being focused on particular areas such as having competent, well informed ideas (see Op for example).

Additionally with threads we don’t need/want as baggage on our F&I Froums increases the cost to find quality ideas here goes up, if we have the ability to “tidy up” these forums that would at least enable us to transfer quality ideas to the CSM and CCP in order to reduce the cost of disseminating such information.

For example I would like this thread to be more intelligently focused, I have a thorough understanding of why SP transfer is terrible for the game. But at the same time I also have a hell of a lot of annoyance, and I would like the Op to search rather than move the discussion to another thread of the exact same topic.

The benefit to CCP is that it reduces the time sink for players wanting to repeat the same asinine ideas and for players it enables them to understand bad concept choices or even changes the focus on their arguments.



TL;DR; Learn to forum search.

And NO, you shall not have skillpoint redistribution.
Derath Ellecon
Lotek Academy
#13 - 2014-04-03 15:17:17 UTC
Bad idea so no.

First. You have failed to show that this is enough of a problem that it warrants such a huge change to the game (and yes this would be a huge paradigm shift to the game).

For example, given your current character, how much SP did you actually "waste" as a noob. My guess (as I did the same) is that if you honestly look, the amount of SP "wasted" is not that high. In looking at my worst toon (for which i went way down a road that ultimately I changed my mind about) it is still only about 2.5 million SP. Even at the default rate this is only a couple months of wasted training. In the long term of playing a game like eve it is essentially nothing.

Second, nobody has even talked about how this can be manipulated/abused, which it can be.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-04-03 15:27:41 UTC
This would essentially make training choices and SP as a whole redundant. Everybody would use their 1 remap a year to gain perfect skills in explo/combat/indy skill of their choice. This would always be the FotM skills leaving everybody with essentially the same abilities.

The choices you made and the path you took are what make your character unique. I firmly believe that the SP mechanism along with implants and remaps are fine the way they are. Skills that you once used are never wasted since you gained from them at the time. I actually think that I use about 90% of my 11.5 mil SP, your skills are what you as a player make of them and the only way they are wasted is if you ignore them yourself.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#15 - 2014-04-03 15:43:56 UTC
Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
#16 - 2014-04-03 18:42:49 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
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I completely agree.
Sigras
Conglomo
#17 - 2014-04-03 19:07:07 UTC
I would agree if it could only ever happen once per character ever.

This would allow noobs to erase noob mistakes in training, but not allow willy nilly switching to FOTM instantly.
Vartan Sarkisian
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#18 - 2014-04-03 20:09:14 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Bad idea so no.

First. You have failed to show that this is enough of a problem that it warrants such a huge change to the game (and yes this would be a huge paradigm shift to the game).

For example, given your current character, how much SP did you actually "waste" as a noob. My guess (as I did the same) is that if you honestly look, the amount of SP "wasted" is not that high. In looking at my worst toon (for which i went way down a road that ultimately I changed my mind about) it is still only about 2.5 million SP. Even at the default rate this is only a couple months of wasted training. In the long term of playing a game like eve it is essentially nothing.

Second, nobody has even talked about how this can be manipulated/abused, which it can be.


These are fair points that are presented in a polite, sensible manner. unlike other rude people that just like to troll. Ill admit I didnt count the SP that I figured wasted and perhaps the once per year was not workable, perhaps a once only and not interchangeable between characters.

The idea was borne out of looking at my SP, the nerfs to exploration and what I consider to be nerfs to industry, CCP are making these changes and certain things that were skilled up for now feel redundant to me. Obviously the general concensus is a no, and thats fair enough.
Vartan Sarkisian
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#19 - 2014-04-03 20:10:17 UTC
Sigras wrote:
I would agree if it could only ever happen once per character ever.

This would allow noobs to erase noob mistakes in training, but not allow willy nilly switching to FOTM instantly.


That is a fair point.
Daoden
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-04-03 20:12:02 UTC
5 year player joins noob corp on his 10 day alt, Xfers millions of SP to that 10 day old after being accepted in. Awoxes the crap out of newbies on a 10 day old character.
I vote YES =)
but seriously no
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