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Auto-missiles in null.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#1 - 2014-03-20 06:01:09 UTC
Not that anyone ever actually uses them, but in theory...

If one was in null, how would auto-target missiles pick their prey? Would be anyone who was targeting you? Anyone nearby even if they weren't targeting you? Will they avoid hitting anyone in your fleet or corporation? Or are they an automatic accidental AWOX device?

Just wondering because obviously the rules of "friendly/enemy" are often... hazy... at best. Was wondering how the missiles deal with this.

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Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-03-20 06:45:57 UTC
In theory they should only hit targets that are "aggressing" you or your property. (With a weapon, ewar or tackle.)
In practice, they are known to often behave in strange ways.
And definitely don't combine them with any kind of AOE effect (bombs, smartbombs, ECM burst), they might very well attack a fleetmate that hits a wreck with an ECM burst if that wreck "belongs" to you.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-03-20 16:52:14 UTC
Thomas Builder wrote:
In theory they should only hit targets that are "aggressing" you or your property. (With a weapon, ewar or tackle.)
In practice, they are known to often behave in strange ways.
And definitely don't combine them with any kind of AOE effect (bombs, smartbombs, ECM burst), they might very well attack a fleetmate that hits a wreck with an ECM burst if that wreck "belongs" to you.


Test tried ECM burst auto-target missile drakes for a drunken lolz fleet. The results were as hilarious as you might imagine. We killed most of the enemy fleet, but we killed nearly our entire fleet. We killed more of our own ships than they did. But it was awesome.

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Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-03-20 16:59:08 UTC
I use FoFs all the time. Not sure why you think nobody uses them.

If you're in a missile ship that can use FoFs, theres no reason not to carry them. There are so many Maulus's and Griffins who thought they were untouchable once they damped/ecm'd me.
Marsan
#5 - 2014-03-20 18:55:05 UTC
For extra "fun" take a battleship. Fill the lows with stabs. Fill the mids with shield tanking mods and a mjd. Fill the highs with rapid launchers with auto targeters of the right size for your targets. Put a couple flights of light/med/heavy drones in your drone bay, and be sure your drones are set to auto aggression. Jump into a LS gate camp. Pretend to panic and slow boat to the gate. Pop drones. Once they attack use your launchers. If things get too hot mjd away. It's also fun against station, and gate campers during a war. Don't do it too often as they will bring enough damage, logi or warp scramblers eventually. Just note you won't kill anyone paying attention as they will just warp out, but it annoys them to no end which I enjoy more than kills...

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Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-03-23 21:14:49 UTC
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:
I use FoFs all the time. Not sure why you think nobody uses them.

If you're in a missile ship that can use FoFs, theres no reason not to carry them. There are so many Maulus's and Griffins who thought they were untouchable once they damped/ecm'd me.



this. Damp boosted Condors get real religious when you pull out those FoF's.

Also killing a griffin with fof's....feels goood

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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#7 - 2014-03-24 05:17:56 UTC
Marsan wrote:
For extra "fun" take a battleship. Fill the lows with stabs. Fill the mids with shield tanking mods and a mjd. Fill the highs with rapid launchers with auto targeters of the right size for your targets. Put a couple flights of light/med/heavy drones in your drone bay, and be sure your drones are set to auto aggression. Jump into a LS gate camp. Pretend to panic and slow boat to the gate. Pop drones. Once they attack use your launchers. If things get too hot mjd away. It's also fun against station, and gate campers during a war. Don't do it too often as they will bring enough damage, logi or warp scramblers eventually. Just note you won't kill anyone paying attention as they will just warp out, but it annoys them to no end which I enjoy more than kills...



Have fun getting infinipointed
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-03-24 15:54:22 UTC
Marsan wrote:
For extra "fun" take a battleship. Fill the lows with stabs. Fill the mids with shield tanking mods and a mjd. Fill the highs with rapid launchers with auto targeters of the right size for your targets. Put a couple flights of light/med/heavy drones in your drone bay, and be sure your drones are set to auto aggression. Jump into a LS gate camp. Pretend to panic and slow boat to the gate. Pop drones. Once they attack use your launchers. If things get too hot mjd away. It's also fun against station, and gate campers during a war. Don't do it too often as they will bring enough damage, logi or warp scramblers eventually. Just note you won't kill anyone paying attention as they will just warp out, but it annoys them to no end which I enjoy more than kills...


That sounds like a ton of fun. I might have to try that sometime.

As for the infinipoint, pretty sure MJD will still work assuming no one puts a scram on you, or if you can chase said scrammer away.

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Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Marsan
#9 - 2014-03-24 19:18:52 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
Marsan wrote:
For extra "fun" take a battleship. Fill the lows with stabs. Fill the mids with shield tanking mods and a mjd. Fill the highs with rapid launchers with auto targeters of the right size for your targets. Put a couple flights of light/med/heavy drones in your drone bay, and be sure your drones are set to auto aggression. Jump into a LS gate camp. Pretend to panic and slow boat to the gate. Pop drones. Once they attack use your launchers. If things get too hot mjd away. It's also fun against station, and gate campers during a war. Don't do it too often as they will bring enough damage, logi or warp scramblers eventually. Just note you won't kill anyone paying attention as they will just warp out, but it annoys them to no end which I enjoy more than kills...



Have fun getting infinipointed


Yes a HIC can stop you from warping out, but HICs are pretty rare in LS piracy and HS warfare. Not to mention a MJD must be scrambled and unless something has changed since the last time I did this infinipoint doesn't work against MJD or MWD. Keep in mind as I said it's not something to do too often as it can be counted.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#10 - 2014-03-30 20:18:45 UTC
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:
I use FoFs all the time. Not sure why you think nobody uses them.

If you're in a missile ship that can use FoFs, theres no reason not to carry them. There are so many Maulus's and Griffins who thought they were untouchable once they damped/ecm'd me.




Yeah with ECM never getting nerfed, it's time for Tech 2 variants. I've seen faction variants on the market but none actually available.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#11 - 2014-04-02 16:22:15 UTC
Marsan wrote:
HICs are pretty rare in LS piracy and HS warfare.

In low sec yes, I haven't found them to be such a rarity in high sec though.
RcTamiya Leontis
Magister Mortalis.
#12 - 2014-04-03 10:09:38 UTC
Berendas wrote:
Marsan wrote:
HICs are pretty rare in LS piracy and HS warfare.

In low sec yes, I haven't found them to be such a rarity in high sec though.



I used to camp a gate in LS for several hours a day with an isntalockbroadsword for months, also hotdropped onto some HIC's camping in LS too, they ain't rare, all you need to do is on the right place on the right time :D