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Johnson Dragoon
Doomheim
#21 - 2014-04-03 05:38:40 UTC
Sigras wrote:
Rhavas wrote:
Kazumi Amaterasu wrote:
]In WH space nobody complains about cloakers, and the proponents of risk free cloaking say this is because there is no local so the cloakers are not ever seen. I disagree, I believe nobody complains about cloakers in WH space because they know they never have to worry about the hot drop. Its actually viable to go ratting because you dont have to go ratting with a 250 man fleet to protect against the hot drop, ratting in groups of 3-4 actually provides you with quite a bit of protection.


LOL

3-4 people ratting is the perfect target. Warp in a pair of cloaky Proteus, grab whoever's not nailed down, warp 15 T3s in their face.

Close enough to a hotdrop.

The difference is that doing this in WH space takes effort, and several dedicated main characters.

In null sec it only takes one alt who is partially looking at his screen some of the time, and several completely AFK people sitting risk free in a POS alt tabbed into their favorite Hulu show.

See the difference?


I agree, I do see a difference, in WH, all it takes it a probe to find a lucky spawning wormhole, to break into someone's system. In null sec, you must pass through a number of gates, and for each gate, giving a protective fleet a number of seconds to lock(which prevents cloaking) bubble, and kill you every time you go through a gate.

Why yes, I do see the difference.
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#22 - 2014-04-03 08:58:47 UTC
Thank you for mentioning cloaking in your first sentence so I could stop reading there instead 10-20 seconds later.
sci0gon
Kaira Innovations
#23 - 2014-04-03 09:17:46 UTC
i came in here expecting a buff to high sec's so called risk free gameplay and left with the oh another whine thread about cloakers cos they cant handle them thread :P
Sigras
Conglomo
#24 - 2014-04-03 10:09:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Sigras
Johnson Dragoon wrote:
Sigras wrote:
Rhavas wrote:
Kazumi Amaterasu wrote:
]In WH space nobody complains about cloakers, and the proponents of risk free cloaking say this is because there is no local so the cloakers are not ever seen. I disagree, I believe nobody complains about cloakers in WH space because they know they never have to worry about the hot drop. Its actually viable to go ratting because you dont have to go ratting with a 250 man fleet to protect against the hot drop, ratting in groups of 3-4 actually provides you with quite a bit of protection.


LOL

3-4 people ratting is the perfect target. Warp in a pair of cloaky Proteus, grab whoever's not nailed down, warp 15 T3s in their face.

Close enough to a hotdrop.

The difference is that doing this in WH space takes effort, and several dedicated main characters.

In null sec it only takes one alt who is partially looking at his screen some of the time, and several completely AFK people sitting risk free in a POS alt tabbed into their favorite Hulu show.

See the difference?


I agree, I do see a difference, in WH, all it takes it a probe to find a lucky spawning wormhole, to break into someone's system. In null sec, you must pass through a number of gates, and for each gate, giving a protective fleet a number of seconds to lock(which prevents cloaking) bubble, and kill you every time you go through a gate.

Why yes, I do see the difference.

If you have trouble getting through a gate camp in a cloaky ship then youre beyond where I can help you. Additionally, I have a dozen alts with cloaks and cynos logged off around various points in null sec, do they get a warning from my ships too?

The long and short of it is that anyone with a brain and a mouse can slip into null sec and spend next to zero energy to become impossible to remove and give a persistent threat of force for the rest of eternity.

See the real difference between committing a bunch of mains or just a single alt is time. I can slip my alt into a system and log off for 3-4 days/weeks/months/years and not care. Then when everyone has forgotten or assumed Ive left system I log in and have my way with them. The same is not usually true with a main as people usually dont have that much patience.

The real difference is the effort and risk put into the gank:
in null, it requires little effort and risking a throw away alt that you dont really care about.
in WH space, it requires quite a bit of effort and youre main characters and ships are committed from the outset.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#25 - 2014-04-03 15:12:36 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
They aren't invulnerable though.They also suffer extreme penalities for the ability to cloak.


Nor are they should you see them cloak, move near them and activate smart bombs

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#26 - 2014-04-03 19:32:33 UTC
Petrified wrote:
Cloaking is risk free for all involved. The only enemy you have to fear is fear itself... and stupid playing.

A cloaker is unable to take any action except watch...

It is a great form of psychological warfare. But only if you let it get to you.

Fuel? Not necessary.


Not true.

AFK Cloaking runs on paranoia.

Without irrational fear, it is a complete waste of time.

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#27 - 2014-04-03 20:17:25 UTC
I'm terribly sorry to have to inform you that risk free game play does not exist in EvE. Also, when you have a serious and well worded proposal for the betterment of EvE, please feel free to post it.

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