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CCP pulls numbers out of ass and lies on forums!

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-11-30 22:09:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ris Dnalor
As you can see linked below a CCP employee i stating that 6% of 1220 posts were negative about the new font. This means only 73 posts were made negatively about the thing, according to their maths. I made 63 posts myself last night in various threads. ( perhaps I was only counted as 1, but that's not what is written )

really? seriously? gimme a break. roughly half of my posts were in support of other negative posts about the threads and the other half in rebuttal to positive posts about the font. Which means we at LEAST at 90 just in one thread. There again, what does "somewhat neutral" mean? can we be more vague? The thread now has close to 500 posts in it, might wanna try recounting them. Also might wanna count the likes for the neg threads and positive ones... you might get some opinions of people who didn't post.

I have a question for you CCP... How many Font threads did you move out of GD into Test Server in the weeks before the patch? How many responses did you get there, and how many more would you have gotten if you hadn't moved them to the back closet?

How many folks now are willing to overlook the crappy font, because the rest of the patch is quite good, and you've lowered the bar so much in terms of our expectations with the last 18 months, this patch looks even better.

We're not stupid, we folks that like to play spreadsheets online :)

Don't pull numbers out of your ass, and expect us to believe they're real. If you simply aren't going to change the font, fine. Say that. Don't lie. It only makes you look stupid... and kinda like a liar. I'm sure you can deflect by saying perhaps you collected your data before many of these posts were made.

If you do, go ahead and tell us what time you did it. I'll be glad to check your numbers for you, if you have a time-frame to go by.

Stupid fonts are one thing, but lying about **** got you in trouble before, didn't it?

o/
Ris Dnalor


REFERENCE LINK: It won't let me link the post, but it's the thread entitled FONT, in General Discussion, post number 452, on page 23 of the thread.

'CCP t0rfifrans' wrote:

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Hey all

Obviously there are divided opinions on the new font, it being in front of everyone the whole time and a big part of the overall EVE experience. When designing the new font, there were two major paths which we had to choose between. Make it legible, and improve accessibility or make it sci-fi and futuristic, risking usability for asthetics. We chose to go down the usability path.

Now from what we can see, there are very heated opinions on the topic. We did a little quasi-scientific analysis of the forums chatter. There were 1220 posts on the topic at the time of counting, 960 unique characters posting ( with the top 50 posting 31% of the posts ). We counted 6% objecting the new font, 49% somewhat neutral and 45% writing in a positive manner about it.

Looking at that date, we determine than while many people miss the old font and want the new one printed in books in order to be burned Farenheit 451 style, the majority of those writing on the topic like it and are enjoying the improved usability.

Also, the UI scaling is a very separate feature than the font, it was just lucky that we managed to get them both into Crucible. The font and the scaling had been developed by very different people at separate ends of the studio on very different schedules. Being able to launch both of then in Crucible made us pretty happy in terms of providing increased usability, which is something EVE sorely needs improved and we are committed to work on ad infinitum.

Finally, don't pick on Punkturis for implementing the new font or the UI scaling! She did a great job on both and I think EVE is a better product as a result of it!

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-11-30 22:10:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ris Dnalor
It was pointed out below that perhaps CCP meant 6% of the 960 unique posters were negative about the font... do the math that's 57 unique posters.


In response to that... I found 57 folks in the first 10 pages of the thread entitled FONT that were negative.

and here are their names.

Quote:

Aldan Romar
Archa4 Badasaz
Atridies
BigDaddyMcFatSacks
Blnukem192
Blood Fart
BondGamer
bonoMonsterK
Bubanni
Butter Dog
Buzzmong
Dewgong
Dinta Zembo
E Wan
Girgem
Hammez Coopez
Hazzard
Hra Neuvosto
Ione Dee
Jacob cirth
Crosi Wedo (from page 11)------------------------------>Removed Jita Alt666 -- he actually supported newfont.
Jodis Talvanen
Julius Rigel
Leo Monaco
Lexa Hellfury
Little Delicoius
Logical Chaos
Lola Isabel
Lumadane
Mal DarkRunner
Midnight Hope
Mila Iijima
Miss President
mkint
Morganta
Nalia White
Octarius Eskravu
Ohanka
Phoebus Raszamar
Psychophantic
Rhaegor
Ris Dnalor
Rusty PwnStar
Ryas Nia
Selinate
Shkolnica
Shotgun' Sara Cyanyde
Spc One
Tetragammatron Prime
The Marketer
Mymh Heretache -------> from pg. 11 replaces another error interpreting mr. ucntkilme who asked to be removed.
Vachir Khan
Valeroth Kyarmentari
Variasse Valence
Vin Ott
Voi Lutois
Zifrian


EDIT: couple a folks that I mis-interpreted, have easily been replaced with others.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

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Lord Ryan
True Xero
#3 - 2011-11-30 22:13:00 UTC
Maybe you could type whatever out so we can enjoy your rage!

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.

Crias Taylor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-11-30 22:15:25 UTC
Mystery rage.
Crias Taylor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-11-30 22:17:08 UTC
Oh god damn, another font rage thread.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-11-30 22:21:18 UTC
And since when are you a qualified proctologist?
BLACK-STAR
#7 - 2011-11-30 22:21:28 UTC
confirming OP needs to microwave another cup of warm milk and suck on a pacifier.
Crias Taylor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-11-30 22:22:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Crias Taylor
Look it is simple. Trying to read a system name in nullsec (probe sigs too) was ******* impossible with the old font with certain characters. Now nullsec can finally tell the system name without getting the name wrong.

Also misleading names in corps and alliances.
Rion Deteisan
Forged Prophets
#9 - 2011-11-30 22:22:10 UTC
I wonder what new players think of the new font..


As a new player, i would run away fast.


I don't see why optimizing the old font was out of the question. It would of been so much less work for the dev team as a whole -allowing ccp to be able to fund more important expansion projects.

.

Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#10 - 2011-11-30 22:23:03 UTC
Ris Dnalor wrote:

I have a question for you CCP... How many Font threads did you move out of GD into Test Server in the weeks before the patch? How many responses did you get there, and how many more would you have gotten if you hadn't moved them to the back closet?


Enough that CCP wanted them all in the same place, instead of having to constantly check four different boards?

Just a thought....

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....

Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-11-30 22:24:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Rath Kelbore
Ris Dnalor wrote:
As you can see linked below a CCP employee i stating that 6% of 1220 posts were negative about the new font. This means only 73 posts were made negatively about the thing, according to their maths. I made 63 posts myself last night in various threads. ( perhaps I was only counted as 1, but that's not what is written )

really? seriously? gimme a break. roughly half of my posts were in support of other negative posts about the threads and the other half in rebuttal to positive posts about the font. Which means we at LEAST at 90 just in one thread. There again, what does "somewhat neutral mean.

I have a question for you CCP... How many Font threads did you move out of GD into Test Server in the weeks before the patch? How many responses did you get there, and how many more would you have gotten if you hadn't moved them to the back closet?

How many folks now are willing to overlook the crappy font, because the rest of the patch is quite good, and you've lowered the bar so much in terms of our expectations with the last 18 months, this patch looks even better.

We're not stupid, we folks that like to play spreadsheets online :)

Don't pull numbers out of your ass, and expect us to believe they're real. If you simply aren't going to change the font, fine. Say that. Don't lie. It only makes you look stupid... and kinda like a liar. I'm sure you can deflect by saying perhaps you collected your data before many of these posts were made.

If you do, go ahead and tell us what time you did it. I'll be glad to check your numbers for you, if you have a time-frame to go by.

Stupid fonts are one thing, but lying about **** got you in trouble before, didn't it?

o/
Ris Dnalor


REFERENCE LINK: It won't let me link the post, but it's the thread entitled FONT, in General Discussion, post number 452, on page 23 of the thread.

'CCP t0rfifrans' wrote:

Like
1
Hey all

Obviously there are divided opinions on the new font, it being in front of everyone the whole time and a big part of the overall EVE experience. When designing the new font, there were two major paths which we had to choose between. Make it legible, and improve accessibility or make it sci-fi and futuristic, risking usability for asthetics. We chose to go down the usability path.

Now from what we can see, there are very heated opinions on the topic. We did a little quasi-scientific analysis of the forums chatter. There were 1220 posts on the topic at the time of counting, 960 unique characters posting ( with the top 50 posting 31% of the posts ). We counted 6% objecting the new font, 49% somewhat neutral and 45% writing in a positive manner about it.

Looking at that date, we determine than while many people miss the old font and want the new one printed in books in order to be burned Farenheit 451 style, the majority of those writing on the topic like it and are enjoying the improved usability.

Also, the UI scaling is a very separate feature than the font, it was just lucky that we managed to get them both into Crucible. The font and the scaling had been developed by very different people at separate ends of the studio on very different schedules. Being able to launch both of then in Crucible made us pretty happy in terms of providing increased usability, which is something EVE sorely needs improved and we are committed to work on ad infinitum.

Finally, don't pick on Punkturis for implementing the new font or the UI scaling! She did a great job on both and I think EVE is a better product as a result of it!



Pretty sure they only counted everyone once. Bolded the part that might lead a person to believe that. Why would they count 1 person's opinion more than once?

Also, Icelandic math.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.

Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-11-30 22:25:03 UTC
Crias Taylor wrote:
Look it is simple. Trying to read a system name in nullsec (probe sigs too) was ******* impossible with the old font with certain characters. Now nullsec can finally tell the system name without getting the name wrong.


I managed to navigate fine for 8 years with the old font.

I think they could've made the old font a little larger for folks that have problems, perhaps given it a size range. But there was no reason to plop this pile of crap into such an otherwise beautiful game.

it's all about the aesthetics.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

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Sarmatiko
#13 - 2011-11-30 22:25:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
So if I really like new font I should RAGE and spam about that on General discussion?
"GODDAMIT I LIKE THIS NEW FONT!!1 STUPID CCP WHY YOU DOING THIS TO ME??77"
OP just find new brain, you lost the old one in your rage wars. You have troubles with that every time new expansion hits TQ Smile
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-11-30 22:27:36 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Ris Dnalor wrote:

I have a question for you CCP... How many Font threads did you move out of GD into Test Server in the weeks before the patch? How many responses did you get there, and how many more would you have gotten if you hadn't moved them to the back closet?


Enough that CCP wanted them all in the same place, instead of having to constantly check four different boards?

Just a thought....


or they know few people visit the test feedback thread and hoped that crapFont would be forgiven when released with other goodies.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-11-30 22:30:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ris Dnalor
BLACK-STAR wrote:
confirming OP needs to microwave another cup of warm milk and suck on a pacifier.


yea, you're probably right.


But I can tell you the new font seriously detracts from the appearance of the game.

As others have said, new players joining eve definately will have no idea that the old font was hard for some folks to read.

They won't think "ok, it's ugly as hell, but at least I can read it now"

They'll just think "OMG it's ugly as hell."

And who hired the Caldari to design the font? You can have both function and form...


right?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

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Razin
The Scope
#16 - 2011-11-30 22:31:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Razin
fuckingforums
Razin
The Scope
#17 - 2011-11-30 22:32:38 UTC
Ris Dnalor wrote:
As you can see linked below a CCP employee i stating that 6% of 1220 posts were negative about the new font. This means only 73 posts were made negatively about the thing, according to their maths. I made 63 posts myself last night in various threads. ( perhaps I was only counted as 1, but that's not what is written )

That's 6% of the unique chars posting about the font, not 6% of the total posts. Learn to read and apply some logic dumbshit.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-11-30 22:37:00 UTC
Ris Dnalor wrote:
As you can see linked below a CCP employee i stating that 6% of 1220 posts were negative about the new font. This means only 73 posts were made negatively about the thing, according to their maths. I made 63 posts myself last night in various threads.


63 posts on one topic!? And I thought I was a forum whore sometimes. Take a break man. Fonts aren't a very deep topic, either you like the look or you don't.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-11-30 22:38:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ris Dnalor
Razin wrote:
Ris Dnalor wrote:
As you can see linked below a CCP employee i stating that 6% of 1220 posts were negative about the new font. This means only 73 posts were made negatively about the thing, according to their maths. I made 63 posts myself last night in various threads. ( perhaps I was only counted as 1, but that's not what is written )

That's 6% of the unique chars posting about the font, not 6% of the total posts. Learn to read and apply some logic dumbshit.



so.

Even if you are correct in your interpretation of the post. 6% of 960 would mean only 57 detractors. I'll count them up right quick and let you know how far they are off. Will take a few minutes. Please stand by.

Here's you're list of unlikers JUST FROM THE FIRST 10 pages of one thread in one forum section in a few hours. It's 57 which means there are far more. which means CCP pulled numbers out of their ass. period.
Quote:


Aldan Romar
Archa4 Badasaz
Atridies
BigDaddyMcFatSacks
Blnukem192
Blood Fart
BondGamer
bonoMonsterK
Bubanni
Butter Dog
Buzzmong
Dewgong
Dinta Zembo
E Wan
Girgem
Hammez Coopez
Hazzard
Hra Neuvosto
Ione Dee
Jacob cirth
Jita Alt666
Jodis Talvanen
Julius Rigel
Leo Monaco
Lexa Hellfury
Little Delicoius
Logical Chaos
Lola Isabel
Lumadane
Mal DarkRunner
Midnight Hope
Mila Iijima
Miss President
mkint
Morganta
Nalia White
Octarius Eskravu
Ohanka
Phoebus Raszamar
Psychophantic
Rhaegor
Ris Dnalor
Rusty PwnStar
Ryas Nia
Selinate
Shkolnica
Shotgun' Sara Cyanyde
Spc One
Tetragammatron Prime
The Marketer
ucntkilme
Vachir Khan
Valeroth Kyarmentari
Variasse Valence
Vin Ott
Voi Lutois
Zifrian

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

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Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2011-11-30 22:39:57 UTC
The new font is better than the old font.
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