EVE New Citizens Q&A

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Well that's it for me. I quit. Thanks to nonsense like this order iv'e just been introduced to.
Im basically told to go into exile where they can't be bothered to troll you.
Thank you for ruining one more thing that might have been a relief from the drudgery of day to day life

Goodbye.

The worst we can do to you is blow up a ship and capsule, which in EVE is a minor setback at most. And trapping someone in EVE is harder than escaping a trap.

This isn't a game like World of Warcraft where losing 'your gear' would be a devastating setback. Your character's SP, your assets (which will be safe in stations), your wallet balance and your in-world reputation with other players are your equivalent of 'your gear' here.

In doing that, you are actually engaging in PVP. Let's say you are mining for Veldspar to sell, in order to buy a Brutix.

You are:

- Reducing the amount of Veldspar available for others to mine
- Putting downward pressure on the price of Veldspar
- Reducing the number of Brutixes on the market
- Putting upward pressure on the price of Brutixes

As such you are harming other miners and other people who want to purchase Brutixes for personal (or corporation/alliance) use and helping people who produce Brutixes.


Part of a game where your actions matter is that... your actions matter. They change the game for other players, even in small ways, that make a difference.

You see this in a big way with events that have become part of EVE's history, like the Gallente Ice Interdiction, where one alliance bought up enormous amounts of a particular mining product, then started shooting at anyone and everyone mining it to produce a short-term crisis of supply. This event lasted a few weeks, caused utter chaos, and while the lost ships of the event are now forgotten, the memory of the event and the story it created remain.



All that said, unplanned PVP is rarer than you might think in EVE. I've been attacked in highsec on about ten occasions - less than once per 2-3 months, and I'm online quite a bit. If you fly ships that are commonly associated with new players, you will likely be shot at much, much less. Noone wants to steal from a newbie as they don't have anything worth stealing.

As an example, I target mining ships a fair amount. The ships I have destroyed are visible on various public killboards. I have *never* killed a mining ship worth under 25 million ISK, so a newbie that cannot afford a more expensive ship than that is going to be pretty much safe from me because they'll be beneath my notice. (I also avoid shooting Ventures, the only mining ship a character under 7 days old can fly).

With reckless Sabriz likely means by not paying attention (being AFK), using autopilot while shipping something highly valuable, doing mining or missioning while under a wardec or just flying around with a ship that has so much pimp modules on it that it becomes a loot-pinata.



As for your point:

1. You can move your base to low activity systems. I used to live in a high-sec system in Amarr space that had a general local count that could fit on 1 hand (so less then 5). These were always the same persons in local, so in time you knew what they were doing and what they were flying and thus could spot on D-scan when something was "not normal". This means, GTFO and get yourself safe.

2. You can move away from the general warp in spot of asteroid belts, which makes it marginally harder for them to get to you very quickly (they either need a fleet member near you for a direct warp in or a pre-saved bookmark near you).

3. Nothing prevents you from doing what you want, you just have to play it smart. Learn the ways of the predator and you can understand what to watch for (always keep an eye on local. If you ar emining and you see catalyst on your D-scan...get out). Get to know people / join a corp and have friends around you (safety in numbers - fish don't use that same system because they find it fun...it just works, the chance your neighbour get eaten is bigger if you have more neighbours. The same the other way, you can (counter-)attack a much bigger prey if you are with more people).



No offense, but why if you are not going to actively play the game, waste the money on a subscription. That just doesn't sound logically. Then again, I pay $15 / month for couple of chat channels, so I won't judge.

Because my happiness and free time is worth more to me than my money.

I always knew i'd be put in the same player pool as angry teenagers who want to vent their frustrations on others from the safety of their bedrooms. But part of me figured that if i go out of my way to stay out of everyone else's way, i'd be free to relax and pretend im a space captain with a nice ship and pretend im exploring...

But no. We can't have that. Even in an economy based game where the resources replenish every 24h so there is practically an infinite amount of money going round, no inflation, no devaluing, where everyone would and could go about without stepping on someone's toes. There HAS to be a group of twats who go about attacking people who are no obstacle to them and no reason than "i can attack you so i will".

That ruins everything and is no excuse. And since my happiness and free time is worth to me more than my money, EVE suddenly has no value to me anymore.

Thanks to idiots like this new order bullcrap.

Uhm...

I see 2 very major errors in this:

1. You can do exactly as you want, you just have to find the spot to do it, which require some searching around. Hook me up in game and I can help you out with some pointers.

Basically, EVE rewards you based on how much effort you put into it. Do good amount of research etc and it will be very rewarding and unless you brake any EULA/ToS rules, you can actually do what ever you want.

2. You fail at the whole market part.

EVE has no inflation...WHUT? Then why did is the ISK value much lower now then when I started (when I started a PLEX was just under 300mil ISK, now it's over 600mil...that is twice the value for the same item).

EVE has infinite amount of moeny flowing around...WHUT? Ever heard of ISK sinks (broker fee, market tax, NPC corp tax, production slot rents, NPC orders on blueprints, NPC orders on skillbooks)

Please, before you make assumptions on how things work, research about how they actually work.

Wow...just wow. When I read your OP, I actually had a serious answer to give you. In a moment, I will give it anyway, for the benefit of other newbies trying to find their way in this game. But first, I will advise you, specifically, as an individual player.

This game is not meant to be played as a screensaver. It is a competitive multiplayer game. Just because you don't like that, doesn't make the people who play it "assholes" or "twats". It just means that this isn't the game you are looking for. People who want to play Tetris don't ***** that Super Mario Brothers is a ****** game with ****** players because it lacks falling geometric shapes.

I suggest that you send me all your isk, contract me all your assets, and unsub.

Ok, now to speak to the hypothetical reader who actually wants to play EVE. Yes, in the grand scheme of things, everything in this game ends in spaceships shooting spaceships. The only way to 100% avoid spaceship combat is to not undock. That said, many EVE players have long and fruitful careers in which they almost never undock, because the meta game here is just that deep.

On an individual level, you can play the game with almost no spaceship violence, though, even in dangerous space. However, you can't do that by ignoring PvP or hiding in highsec. Avoiding PvP successfully, in the end, requires many of the same skills as participating in PVP - being attentive and aware of your surroundings, keeping a suspicious eye on neutrals in your vicinity, and having a plan to bug out when the **** hits the fan. In this game nonviolence is an art in its own right, and you will do well if you treat it with that level of respect and try to master it. If you think you can just turn on your mining lasers and go take a nap, however, expect PvP to come to you while you are sleeping.

For no other reason than because we can. Right.

Well too late for your scavenging, all of my resources are now in the empty void where abandoned characters go, along with the deleted files on my hard drive.

Why am i still here? I guess out of sheer amazement of how low people can sink when there is nobody there to govern them.
As a social experiment, EVE sure makes the worst in people come through.

Chess brings out worse. When I play chess, I go around murdering priests, slaughtering pawns and committing regicide.


Rereading this entire thread and seeing the language used in the posts, I'm now 90% convinced that the OP isn't a new player but is in fact a newly-created alt of an established player either trolling or pushing an undisclosed agenda. There's too much EVE knowledge in there for the OP to be a few hours into the game.

Well played, OP. Good fight, you got me. I believed you.



Edit: If I'm wrong, I apologize.

Eve is a fantastic story of empires being built from nothing. Tribal as it may seem, they erected huge monuments of blood, sweat, and tears.

They did it despite people trying to stop them.

They still do it.

Sorry you cant do that Alone.