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Does everything end up with fighting?

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Pravus Karal
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-04-03 00:04:44 UTC
So iv'e been playing for about 2 months now. Making my share of ISK and building ships.
I have been pondering about what to do more focused. Mining, exploring, trading, etc.
Yet everything somehow seems to end with fighting.

If you want to go mine more interesting things, you get attacked.
If you go exploring, you get attacked.
If you run cargo or trade, you get attacked.

I really have no interest in PvP, so what exactly is there for me to do if i don't want to stick to high sec space all the time?
Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-04-03 00:08:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ovv Topik
Google 'Black Frog'. I have no idea how you apply though.

Or join a mining corp. Safety in numbers. Nul sec is is often quieter than Hi sec for carebearing.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Pravus Karal
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-04-03 00:11:37 UTC
What do you mean by "carebearing"?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-04-03 00:24:56 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Carebearing = The art of doing stuff and go to the end of the world to avoid PvP.

Heads up: EVE is intended to be a PvP game, thus you will find that anything you do in space will put you in the risk of PvP, even in high-sec (for instance: Mine in high-sec and likely in time The New Order will visit you).

So, yes, technically in the end everything ends up in fighting. Specially if you want to increase your income as EVE uses a nice and almost perfectly balanced Risk vs Reward system. The more risk you take, the bigger the possible reward.

EDIT:

I know it's going to be borderline forum rule breaking but:

If you do not have any intention in PvP and do not like the part that you can always be pulled into PvP even if you don't want it, then EVE might not be the game that suits you and you might want to shop around for other games.

This is not to say that you should quit, but just to give you a honest heads up on the game.


Also, you say you do not want to PvP. Guess what you are doing when you sell something on the market....PvP.

Market is 99.9% player driven and thus you compete with your fellow capsuleers for best selling price of your items and lowest buying price for stuff you buy. So you are doing financial PvP.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#5 - 2014-04-03 00:28:20 UTC
Destruction drives the entire EVE economy.

Without things burning, there'd be no reason for anyone to mission or mine or whatever.

Plus, it's *fun*. NPC AI is terrible and predictable. Player "AI" is often just as terrible, but it's unpredictable, which makes it fun. And sometimes, the other player's "AI" isn't terrible, and they win, and you lose a ship and gain a few exciting moments, a lasting lesson and a good memory.

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Pravus Karal
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2014-04-03 00:29:57 UTC
Who or what is the New Order?

So even if i mind my own business and ant away, avoiding combat, someone will come by and shoot at me for it? WTF?
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#7 - 2014-04-03 00:32:03 UTC
Pravus Karal wrote:
Who or what is the New Order?

So even if i mind my own business and ant away, avoiding combat, someone will come by and shoot at me for it? WTF?


We are a highsec extortion racket. My signature has a link to our website.

We target passive ISK generation such as AFK mining. If you mine at the keyboard and pay attention (and watch your directional scanner for obvious signs of danger), you are pretty safe from our tactics.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#8 - 2014-04-03 00:32:58 UTC
Pravus Karal wrote:
I really have no interest in PvP, so what exactly is there for me to do if i don't want to stick to high sec space all the time?


Something that's not Eve Online, I suppose.

Everything in this game comes back to pvp. Even if ships aren't directly exploding around you all the time, you're in direct and indirect competition with at least a few thousand other players for the resources, markets, and territory that you're using for whatever you're doing. So there is always, ALWAYS a completely valid reason for some other person or group to try to undermine you. Even if you're playing space trucker with the shipping contracts... no, ESPECIALLY then, because the only reason for someone to send something by shipping contract is if it's something valuable that their enemies would want to blow them up over.

So... yeah. The answer is pretty much "too bad".

You can avoid direct pew-pew by never undocking, though, and just trading from a station. That takes an unnatural love of spreadsheets, though.
Pravus Karal
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2014-04-03 00:36:16 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Pravus Karal wrote:
Who or what is the New Order?

So even if i mind my own business and ant away, avoiding combat, someone will come by and shoot at me for it? WTF?


We are a highsec extortion racket. My signature has a link to our website.

We target passive ISK generation such as AFK mining. If you mine at the keyboard and pay attention (and watch your directional scanner for obvious signs of danger), you are pretty safe from our tactics.



Well that is just a complete pile of... I might as well quit the game with people like that around.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-04-03 00:40:28 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Pravus Karal wrote:
Who or what is the New Order?

So even if i mind my own business and ant away, avoiding combat, someone will come by and shoot at me for it? WTF?


As I said:

YES, you can be pulled into PvP anytime somebody wants.

When you undock, you automatically consent to the fact that anybody in EVE is allowed to shoot at you.

As I said, if you do NOT want to be in danger of the possibility of PvP (and with some small and easy learned skills the risk is very very minimal) then EVE just might not be the game for you.


The only way to avoid direct spaceship to spaceship combat is to never undock.
The only way to completely avoid any form of combat (including verbally chat combat and financial combat) is not logging in.

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Pravus Karal
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-04-03 00:40:38 UTC
That brings me to a new question.

How do i reverse my PLEX, so i can quit the game?
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#12 - 2014-04-03 00:41:57 UTC
There is always the potential for some form of conflict in eve. Even trading is a form of pvp e.g. market pvp. But if you open the map you will see that there are many areas which are very quite. Even in null sec there are very quite areas and you have the benefit of intel networks. If you move to a quite area and mind your own business the chances of pvp happening are relatively small. Ofc by being pvp adverse, you are cutting yourself off from the best part of the game.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#13 - 2014-04-03 00:42:37 UTC
Pravus Karal wrote:


Well that is just a complete pile of... I might as well quit the game with people like that around.



There are a LARGE number of countermeasures to our tactics. Ask around for tips (one I'd suggest is flying a Procurer or Venture in preference to any other mining ship, as they are both pretty much impossible to kill without us losing at least as much as you do; another is never be AFK while undocked, and a third is never to fly anything that you'd be devastated by the loss of)

And for that matter, we are an extortion racket, not omnicidal maniacs. You are able to buy us off too.


Your final option, of course, is to get involved in the darker side of EVE yourself. Attacking other players and stealing their stuff is every bit as much an option as attacking asteroids or NPCs and stealing their stuff, and while some players have worse AI than asteroids, most do not.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-04-03 00:42:55 UTC
Pravus Karal wrote:
That brings me to a new question.

How do i reverse my PLEX, so i can quit the game?


Basically, you can't.

Any game time added to an account is fixed to it.

You can petition CCP with a request for a reimbursement but don't be surprised if they decline the request. But as I'm not CCP, I can't tell you what their opinion on this is.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-04-03 00:46:05 UTC
Pravus Karal wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Pravus Karal wrote:
Who or what is the New Order?

So even if i mind my own business and ant away, avoiding combat, someone will come by and shoot at me for it? WTF?


We are a highsec extortion racket. My signature has a link to our website.

We target passive ISK generation such as AFK mining. If you mine at the keyboard and pay attention (and watch your directional scanner for obvious signs of danger), you are pretty safe from our tactics.



Well that is just a complete pile of... I might as well quit the game with people like that around.


Sorry, but now I have to counter question you:

Did you read up on EVE before you started the game?

The game is nearly 11 years old, so we have over a decade of stories, both about good people (Chribba for instance) as well as the bad people (not pointing fingers, as I don't have enough of them).

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Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#16 - 2014-04-03 00:48:04 UTC
Pravus Karal wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Pravus Karal wrote:
Who or what is the New Order?

So even if i mind my own business and ant away, avoiding combat, someone will come by and shoot at me for it? WTF?


We are a highsec extortion racket. My signature has a link to our website.

We target passive ISK generation such as AFK mining. If you mine at the keyboard and pay attention (and watch your directional scanner for obvious signs of danger), you are pretty safe from our tactics.



Well that is just a complete pile of... I might as well quit the game with people like that around.


Avoiding folk like the new order and highsec gankers is as easy as moving to an out of the way system. Tank your mining ship and blue ball them if they come to you and you will never have a problem. Unless you are an asshat and make yourself a target by saying stupid things in the forums or in local, then people will hunt you down.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Pravus Karal
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2014-04-03 00:48:05 UTC
EVE was pitched as "do what you like".

I'd like to mine to buy myself a nice ship, possibly go explore and kill an NPC rat here or there.

With people of unmentionable adjectives about, like that order nonsense, that puts a big wet turd on the whole thing.

Unfortunately my PLEX doesn't run out for another 60 days and that's it for me and my EVE experience. I can't say it was fun since all of my work and avoiding other people's childish antics is for naught. So i might as well quit. Ugh
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#18 - 2014-04-03 00:48:41 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
There is always the potential for some form of conflict in eve. Even trading is a form of pvp e.g. market pvp. But if you open the map you will see that there are many areas which are very quite. Even in null sec there are very quite areas and you have the benefit of intel networks. If you move to a quite area and mind your own business the chances of pvp happening are relatively small. Ofc by being pvp adverse, you are cutting yourself off from the best part of the game.



This is true.

If you want a quiet area with the protection of CONCORD, I recommend a system that is at least 5 jumps from every major trade hub and that isn't a major mission hub, trade route or multiple ice anomoly system.

Oursalert (someone can correct the spelling) comes to mind as a system worth looking into. It has enough of a local market to provide convenient market PVP, but doesn't have enough commerce to attract people like me.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-04-03 00:50:45 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
There is always the potential for some form of conflict in eve. Even trading is a form of pvp e.g. market pvp. But if you open the map you will see that there are many areas which are very quite. Even in null sec there are very quite areas and you have the benefit of intel networks. If you move to a quite area and mind your own business the chances of pvp happening are relatively small. Ofc by being pvp adverse, you are cutting yourself off from the best part of the game.


This.

Although EVE can be a cruel and harsh place, there are equal if not more countermeasures available to make life pretty easy and safe-ish

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-04-03 00:51:46 UTC
Pravus Karal wrote:
EVE was pitched as "do what you like".

I'd like to mine to buy myself a nice ship, possibly go explore and kill an NPC rat here or there.

With people of unmentionable adjectives about, like that order nonsense, that puts a big wet turd on the whole thing.

Unfortunately my PLEX doesn't run out for another 60 days and that's it for me and my EVE experience. I can't say it was fun since all of my work and avoiding other people's childish antics is for naught. So i might as well quit. Ugh


Exactly

And if another player's vision of "do what you like" is blow you up...he can do that too.

Basically, you are asking if YOU can do what you like, but anybody else has to do as YOU want.

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