Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I could say the same about your idea that any one who wants to play Eve with a bit of situational awareness has to have paid accounts dedicated to watching gates.

I'm all for CCP making more money by attracting more players. But dedicated gate watch alts, or making the newbees watch the gates is terrible.

The chance for counter ganks would be fantastic. The hunter would be the hunted and he wouldn't even know it.

oops, double post phone phaile

Wormholes aren't even a bastion of PvP.

My (more nuanced) proposal from January 2013 that has some real similarities: Unbreaking Local

CSM member (and null dweller) mynnna's support for my idea: The Local Problem: A Tale of Two Solutions

The Blog Banter my post inspired, with 36 additional entries: Blog Banter 44: Is There Anybody Out There

Happy reading!

I fully agree with these sentiments, and I have some practical experience to offer. Embers Children has a policy of always running PVE, whether in w-space or null, in a PVP squad.

That means scouts (ideally recons), logistics and dps ships carrying points.

This has a number of advantages:
1. you see what's coming so you don't have to make assumptions.
2. you can choose to engage anyone else who might bumble into the system.
3. In the unlikely event that you do get jumped, you can at least give the other guys a bloody nose. If they didn't anticipate your recons, you might even win if you hold your nerve.

Of course each person receives fewer ISK per site. However, ships that can focus purely on DPS are more efficient killers than self-tanking PVE barges so the squad as a whole can burn through sites much faster. Overall ISK per player per hour is about equivalent to running solo but you have the added bonus of not having to flee like a frightened rabbit every time a shuttle enters your system or a wormhole pops out a scout ship.

Oh my the troll is strong with you. Logical fallacies everywhere.
1) people already use alts or other corp members to watch local...so this would mean you have to undock and actually *gasp* watch. This means that the supposed problem of $15/mo to navel gaze is part of a false set of premises whereupon the "intel character" does only that every time he or she logs on and neither shares responsibility nor performs any other activity ever.

2) some people have specialized alts frequently these alts run links and sit as cloaked scouts *again already* that watch local and are ready to provide link bonuses in a number of systems, continue to watch the pipe for more intruders or drop a cyno for reinforcements.

3) The propensity to dock up rather than defend your space is high because the mechanics cater to being risk averse many times. A small gang is no threat to a mining fleet in a station system. You can warp to a tower even if they get to the station ahead of you and drop a bubble most times. And local chat's instant update only aids in this cowardly behavior.

I know a troll when I see one. Setting up an argument based on false premises rather than a reasoned one based on experience is a good sign of a troll. If you aren't a troll and sincerely believe that no one will pay money for more than one account to act as a scout and perform other activities...then I guess you are simply ill informed or don't really play this game. That same alt doesn't need to simply do nothing.

A) Probe down any signatures in system (related systems) so you are aware of your surroundings
B) Links
C) Generate income through data and relic sites
D) Train for roles that your main(s) do not have covered

Acting as if one activity is mutually exclusive of all others is a classic tactic. It is like some say about CCP.."Well if they didn't spend time on X then we'd be able to do Y". This isn't always true. For example a team of UI developers working on a task has nothing to do with art asset production for the large part. So a person's alt does not have to do one task exclusively all the time. And if you mine in EVE 23/7 and only use an alt for the purposes of scouting...well people already do that.

Never mind the 80 character/ 1 man all capital/super capital NPCing corp that does sanctums and forsaken hubs all day in the drone lands. The fact is that players will spend their money on things that they want to spend it on and I see a great deal of projection by critics. Or some of the individuals who have 35 mining characters with an alt in each system to keep an eye on local chat in high sec while mining to he avoids known gankers (40 accounts...1 human running them all).

These are facts you have supposition that players won't do these things that they already do. Some people also buy plexes for multiple accounts using the isk they generate playing as well. Should you make enough doing your mining activity...this might allow you to have that account for free...well trading isk for game time bought by another player.

The propensity to dock up and not defend your space is high because the mechanics enforce PvE activity in ships that cannot compete in combat with their hunter's dedicated killing machines, and there is nothing in that space worth dying over.

Make space more valuable than the ship you are exploiting it with and people will find a way to stay and fight. Most Carebears are not risk adverse, they just dont have anything worth risking their ships over. If you are not the sort of player for whom just winning a fight is a reward in itself, then the fights in EVE have no meaning.

Stop hunting the carebears, start hunting their predators, and your fights will be much less likely to warp off when you show up in system.

+1

The only part I take issue with is this:



He actually docked for one of two reasons:

1. He is under orders to do so under threat of expulsion from his corp should he lose his ship to you.

2. Experience tells him that even if he does engage you and call in the troops, there's a 50% chance that you're carrying a cyno, and a further 49% chance that you are the scout for a vast fleet which has all the intel while he has none. Allowing himself to be engaged will in his mind result in extermination of his friends and himself, and most of the time he is correct.

I'm not sure the numbers are correct here. When I get a 0-sec opening with sanctums and havens, and I am online alone, I'll sometimes jump into someone's SOV space and clean up their combat anomalies.

The return is pretty good, since you can do it alone in complete safety (and I mean absolute safety) and very efficiently with a cheap dominix.

w-space does offer a higher return, but to more participants. I think in reality the ISK per hour is similar, since you have to factor in salvaging times, transport to trade hubs and real risk.

You can solo C3/4 sites in a PVE tengu or marauder for reasonably good ISK per hour, but the risks are very high (we often punish such foolishness by relieving people like this of their fancy faction modules).

I would argue that, taking into account ship replacement and time-consuming loot hauling, 0-sec PVE offers at least as good a return. It's just boring.

I can't speak for hi sec incursions, I tried them once and almost fell off my chair with boredom. I've never had an opportunity to try 0-sec incursions. I imagine the risk involved makes them more fun.