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EDU Gaming has just had a major update!

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Deveshi Legate
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#1 - 2014-03-31 17:09:55 UTC
EDU Gaming is a community interest project aimed at promoting game-based learning and features Eve Online and Dust 514! Now you can find out about the educational value of Eve Online and Dust 514 and learn how to apply your skills.

EDU Gaming is proud to announce our latest update packed full of new features. There's never been a better time to start getting involved.

Get involved with a growing community and get the most out of your game.

Visit EDU Gaming @
www.edu-gaming.com



You're welcome to post feedback about the project here :-)



P.S. this post has been made with permission from CCP.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#2 - 2014-03-31 17:12:40 UTC
Educational values? Are you serious?
BTW, I wouldn't count on Dust teaching anything except poor business planning....Lol

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3 - 2014-03-31 17:39:42 UTC

--> Out of Pod Experience

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
#4 - 2014-03-31 20:11:34 UTC
OMG !

This has so much potential.

Languages, economics, geography, calculus, game design (or lack thereof), chemistry, physics ... the whole lot. You can even graduate from eve-university.

No, seriously, I like the idea and do think it has potential ... but it will only be effective on those who are actively looking to find answers. I remember in one of my text books, there was a Star Trek related question. That was nice ... but first the question was so dead wrong in terms of Trek lore, and second, it didn't make the subject matter any more fun.

... just saying.

Don't anger the forum gods.

ISD Buldath:

> I Saw, I came, I Frowned, I locked, I posted, and I left.

Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
#5 - 2014-03-31 20:59:14 UTC
EDU-GAMING wrote:
You may not know that CCP employs 5 full-time economists to ensure that balance is maintained


Well, blimey, I did not know this. I thought it was just Dr. Eyo and a handfull of devs (somewhere between 2 and roughly 2). But I may be and probably am wrong on that one. But 5 economists ... what they all working at ?

EDU-GAMING wrote:
The Makerbot is an at home device that allow you to print real three dimensional objects, meaning a Minecraftian future where you can print anything you want at anytime might not be that far away.


So, scarcity is resolved by the means you use to turn resources into items ... has nothing to do with resources at all ? Ok, in the video they mention the plastic needed to create stuff ... only to jump to eadible fruit 3D-printed .... (out of plastic I guess.)

* facepalm *

Don't anger the forum gods.

ISD Buldath:

> I Saw, I came, I Frowned, I locked, I posted, and I left.

Deveshi Legate
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#6 - 2014-04-01 00:34:14 UTC
Hi,

Thanks for the response and I'm glad you like the idea behind the project :)

Jill Xelitras wrote:
I remember in one of my text books, there was a Star Trek related question. That was nice ... but first the question was so dead wrong in terms of Trek lore, and second, it didn't make the subject matter any more fun.

... just saying.


I agree, and this is why EDU Gaming a community project. Our role is to fill the gap between the gamers & general public and those developing game based learning programs. We aim to help spread awareness and interest and we believe that game-based learning can only work if the games are good. This is why we are looking at the games you are already playing :)

So I completely agree with you in that developers and publishers should work to get the facts right. With EDU Gaming we want to get the gamers involved via our community and get their feedback to make sure our facts are right and that game-based learning is developed in the best way.

Jill Xelitras wrote:
EDU-GAMING wrote:
You may not know that CCP employs 5 full-time economists to ensure that balance is maintained


Well, blimey, I did not know this. I thought it was just Dr. Eyo and a handfull of devs (somewhere between 2 and roughly 2). But I may be and probably am wrong on that one. But 5 economists ... what they all working at ?


I was surprised as well at how much dedication CCP have put into developing the economy of Eve Online. It's pretty awesome. According to these 2 sources:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2009/02/19/massively-interviews-eve-online-lead-economist-dr-eyjog
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/05/14/how-eve-online-still-thrives-10-years-later

CCP hired a team of 4-5 analysts that work on the Eve Online economy. There are also numerous reports of external economists looking at the Eve Online economy over the last 10 years and doing research on that. These details may have changed with time and we would be happy to update our info if it's incorrect.

Jill Xelitras wrote:
EDU-GAMING wrote:
The Makerbot is an at home device that allow you to print real three dimensional objects, meaning a Minecraftian future where you can print anything you want at anytime might not be that far away.


So, scarcity is resolved by the means you use to turn resources into items ... has nothing to do with resources at all ? Ok, in the video they mention the plastic needed to create stuff ... only to jump to eadible fruit 3D-printed .... (out of plastic I guess.)

* facepalm *


3D printing has come on massively in recent years. Some of the stuff they are printing is quite incredible. Things may have started out with just plastic but now they are able to print new organs by using stem cells as a type of ink. There is a report linked below about how this technology is being developed to treat burn wounds where new skin is literally printed onto the patient.

http://www.wakehealth.edu/Research/WFIRM/Research/Military-Applications/Printing-Skin-Cells-On-Burn-Wounds.htm

3D printing technology has also been used the manufacture of artificial meat, again, using stem cells. This is completely fine to eat and there are some scientists who believe this may lead to a revolution in food production. Link below.

http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/3d-printed-meat-its-whats-for-dinner/

But the particular video you are talking about is asking the question of what the world would be like if we didn't need to refill our 3D printers to use them? Effectively being in a post-scarcity economy. Maybe it would be like creation mode on Minecraft because it is likely most things would lose their material value?

Its an interesting concept if you compare it with Eve Online. I think Eve is based on pretty much everything having a material value so clearly 3D printing didn't work out in that world. A question could be why not or what could have gone wrong?

I'd love to hear your thoughts and thanks for getting involved!


Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-04-01 04:28:58 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Educational values? Are you serious?
BTW, I wouldn't count on Dust teaching anything except poor business planning....Lol

Hey, EVE taught me how to use REALLY use computers, server architecture, I know when and how Im being insulted in 37 languages, can return the insults in 9 of them. I'd say EVE is fairly educational as long as you ASK QUESTIONS and BE SOCIAL.

No one ever learned anything while sitting in an NPC corp besides how sad they are for not even having friends on the internet.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-04-01 04:31:03 UTC
Deveshi Legate wrote:
Hi,



3D printing technology has also been used the manufacture of artificial meat, again, using stem cells. This is completely fine to eat and there are some scientists who believe this may lead to a revolution in food production. Link below.



So, if we start printing meat, does that mean we can FINALLY be "justified" even by their standards, to tell both PETA and Vegans to HTFU and STFU, respectively?
Catherine Wolfisheim
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-04-01 05:54:49 UTC
No offense, but can someone explain to me the educational value from Dust 514? Besides the obvious subject on player reactions and emotional response to fighting human foes, or how does the dehumanization of the enemy affect the game experience.
Deveshi Legate
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#10 - 2014-04-02 02:25:30 UTC
Hey guys, and thanks for getting involved!

Catherine Wolfisheim wrote:
No offense, but can someone explain to me the educational value from Dust 514? Besides the obvious subject on player reactions and emotional response to fighting human foes, or how does the dehumanization of the enemy affect the game experience.


A good question... and you've already mentioned a couple of good topics.

This is something we have been discussing quite a bit at EDU Gaming and I think you'd be surprised at some of the lessons to be had from an FPS. Dust 514 is a great example anyway because it has the sci-fi theme so you can immediately ask the question of what weapons would actually work in space?

Contrary to popular belief you can still fire some modern ammunition in space because the bullets come packed with their own oxidizer. On the other hand, missiles are a bit more tricky because the primary damage they cause is due to a shock wave travelling through the air. Without air pressure there isn't much for the shock wave to travel through so most of the energy would dissipate. We are still debating how effective a real swarm launcher would be in space and would love anyone with a good head in physics to get involved with this discussion Big smile

Another good element to look at in first person shooters is ballistic trajectory analysis. It's a classic argument with learning trigonometry that people think they will never use it after leaving school and yet you have thousands of people playing with virtual sniper rifles doing exactly that. Of course this depends a lot on the game physics but it is still an interesting topic to think about and a lot more fun when talked about in this context... and who can complain if it helps you hit your mark first time? I'm sure your KDR would thank you Lol
Deveshi Legate
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#11 - 2014-04-02 02:28:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Deveshi Legate
Also, just an add-on...

I'm sure I read somewhere in Dust 514 lore that the mercs are all genetically enhanced clones (please correct me if i'm wrong)?

This opens up a whole topic of discussion on genetic engineering and ethics :-)


P.S.

If you like the discussion don't be shy, join the EDU Gaming community for free and help us to get Eve Online and Dust 514 the educational recognition they deserve.
Deveshi Legate
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#12 - 2014-04-02 02:53:50 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Hey, EVE taught me how to use REALLY use computers, server architecture, I know when and how Im being insulted in 37 languages, can return the insults in 9 of them. I'd say EVE is fairly educational as long as you ASK QUESTIONS and BE SOCIAL.


Another very nice example of the educational value of Eve Online and Dust 514

The internet and digital networking has connected all of us in an unprecedented way and it is important that people can overcome national, language, and cultural barriers. Games such as Eve Online and Dust 514 allow us to work together to face common adversaries and attain common goals in a context where we often overlook our differences. I'm sure many of you now have friends who live thousands of miles away thanks to playing online games. This just wasn't possible for the majority of people 20 years ago (unless you like chess?).

The level of sharing we can do today is simply incredible.... In the words of Mike Rugnetta:

"I can literally email you a spoon... Think about that for a moment."



Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-04-02 03:59:58 UTC
I can't wait until EvE is added to the U.S.'s "Common Core." I'll finally be able to work the math problems my kids are bringing home.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#14 - 2014-04-02 06:13:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
I'm a little shy about voicing my opinion in on-line game forums.

Will EDU.Gaming help me to gain the confidence to come out of my shell?

Mr Epeen Cool
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#15 - 2014-04-02 11:04:30 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
yep. Moved accordingly.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Deveshi Legate
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#16 - 2014-04-02 17:46:36 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I'm a little shy about voicing my opinion in on-line game forums.

Will EDU.Gaming help me to gain the confidence to come out of my shell?

Mr Epeen Cool


EDU Gaming can certainly help you with getting used to communication online Big smile

We offer a variety of different softwares that allow you to get involved the way you want to. First off is our forum, which works the same as any other forum except it also controls our commenting system throughout the EDU Gaming website. If you post comments on articles, these comments are automatically reproduced in our forum so that they can be discussed in both areas.

If you are not used to forum discussions then with EDU Gaming you can simply start off with commenting on articles and you will already be taking your first steps in joining full forum discussions.

Also featured on EDU Gaming is an extensive social media software that works in a similar way to facebook (without all the baggage). This area of EDU Gaming is more focused on general chat and game discussions rather than the educational side of the website but it is a great introduction if you are new to online communications. This also offers you the opportunity to share you game photos and videos as well as setting up a group for your corporation or gaming clan. Our groups feature allows you to organise your corporation outside of game easily with events managements, private discussions and group mailing.

If posting in general isn't really your thing, EDU Gaming is currently in the process of setting up our public TeamSpeak 3 server so you can use a free voice over IP system to get involved with the discussions and get the most out of your games.

Lots of options to choose from and EDU Gaming is continually developing to offer you new features. The best part of EDU Gaming is that it is a community driven project so your feedback contributes to shaping the website and the rest of the project. If there are new features that you think would help our community to grow we would love to hear them.
Deveshi Legate
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#17 - 2014-04-02 17:49:38 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
yep. Moved accordingly.


Hey ya, and thank you for the moderation.

I apologize for posting in the wrong category but at a glance general discussion seemed to be the most appropriate. Future posts concerning the EDU Gaming project will be made in this category Big smile

Thanks for your time.
Deveshi Legate
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#18 - 2014-04-02 18:03:29 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I can't wait until EvE is added to the U.S.'s "Common Core." I'll finally be able to work the math problems my kids are bringing home.


This is interesting Smile

Do your kids play Eve Online already?

Math is an interesting concept with regard to the way it is taught in schools. At a very young age we learn about maths in an easy to understand way e.g.

If I have 5 apple and give Joe 2 apples, how many apples do I have left...

But when we move onto more difficult topics later on in education, such as trigonometry, we are expected to learn and understand the math in it's own context. EDU Gaming is asking the question why?

If a subject is difficult to understand why not use a fun or familiar context such as ballistic trajectory analysis as mentioned in a previous post.

Now you've learnt what you needed to about trigonometry and you've also learnt about ballistic trajectory analysis. And for an added bonus you might of had fun whilst doing it Big smile
Anguish Corrum
101st Razor Claws
#19 - 2014-04-03 06:26:19 UTC
This looks like an awesome project and I like the discussions going on here.

I've had a look around on the website and the community system is nice. It's quite similar to Facebook so it's easy to use but it's not full of adverts and cat pictures... Just loads of stuff about games lol! It's also nice that you can put videos on your profile as well as pictures. That's a nice feature with being a gaming site.

It's nicely polished and opens up with a lot of functionality after you register.
Solicia Starshield
Drone Orphanage
#20 - 2014-04-07 00:38:24 UTC
This is a great project and you all should check it out.

Keep up the good work Deveshi
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