Science & Industry

Because it's day two of release and CCP still has not owned up that they missed a decimal place.

Connecting tax rates for PI goods to going market value is fine. However, your November 2011 base values on what to charge are out of whack.

It costs almost double the going market value of some goods to export them from a planet than you could get from the market. That's bloody bonkers. If we triple our price just to eek a profit from this extortion, next month you will 6x your base costs and compound the issue.

Please, CCP -- Own up to this mistake and find the decimal that needs to be shifted.

P2 goods in particular had their tax rate increased by almost 50x. And most are barely worth half that in Jita. It's kindergarten math here. We give you 2 ISK for every 1 ISK we can make (not including the time we spent to manage the colonies).

Please read the other threads before making a new one -.-

The price increases are almost entirely due to them adjusting them to the average going rate for that teir. yes it might be that some of the non PI p2s are possibly going to cost more than theyre worth to export at first, but that is because you have been getting away with goverment-faulted tax fraud for a while. Most p2s havent been 3000 isk or whatever the old standard was, for more than 2 years.

They are not going to unfix it, it is now working as it was suppose to. Get over it and adapt or get stepped on.

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So, PI products that don't sell well should no longer be produced, thereby increasing the demand and FURTHER raising the next month's averaged costs for all goods in a tier.

You honestly don't see how flawed that is? Costs will just continue to rise, as will your percentage tax. I don't care for hyperbole in arguments, but this is a run-away tax hike. It will never get better, nor stabilize. At best, all you do is shutdown HiSec PI. If that's what CCP wants to do, fine. But don't keep telling your players that PI is for everyone.

In my example of P2 goods, 9k as an average is way high for most P2 goods. You don't average all P2 goods together if you want to tax them. The demand for P2 goods varies greatly by good and by day even.


To CCP: I'm down with ISK sinks. I am. I believe we should have more. 17% tax averaged across the board kills production for half of the PI goods and discourages even more people from doing PI. The market was fine where it was before. We weren't creating ISK with PI, just moving it around.

You wanna tax non-ISK generating revenue sources? Tax roid mining. See what kind of response you get then.

What makes you think the reference values will be updated monthly? Or at all?

What would be the point of tying a tax index if they didn't? It's how insurance payouts are figured out now. They don't stay static.

@ Hundo. No one taxes your use of a POS to produce goods atm. CCP doesnt charge a tax to mine roids or moons.

You think it's somehow acceptable to take up to 30% of the low profit PI goods for the sake of an ISK Sink? Let's start taxing miners for each m3 of roid they mine. That should help, right?

The issue is just not the tax, its also about if you willing to risk losing ur POCO's in low-sec. Where its possible to acctaully make a profit of P.I

It's CCP stance that PI is profitable for all players. That even a newbie to EVE can get into PI on day one w/ no skills. Except now they couldn't make a profit out of it if they choose the wrong goods (stupid newbies, don't they know better? Good thing CCP was there to show them where they went wrong).

Do you planets continue to mine and work after you leave the game? If so its passive income.

PI prices will reach equilibrium eventually. If it's not profitable to manufacture at the current price, either idiots will sell below cost or the price will rise. If you are running some kind of ******** setup that exports at every phase and imports to a new planet, then you'll have to retool because all of a sudden taxes are something you have to take into account. Any other setup will not have its profitability impacted once prices stabilize at a level that bakes in the tax cost. This change is going to have two impacts on the economy, neither of which are big problems:

1) Prices of things that depend upon PI (POS fuel, and thus reaction products and T2 equipment) will rise marginally. In another thread, someone else calculated the impact a 20% across the board price increase in PI would have on monthly POS fuel prices and it was negligible.

2) A substantial new isk sink was added (because CONCORD and Interbus taxes remove isk from the economy), helping fight inflation - this is a sorely needed change given the number of mission running bots that are constantly injecting new isk into the economy from bounties and mission rewards.