Player Features and Ideas Discussion

but it must be an april fools it's a pants on head stupid idea not as good as the time they said interbus was going to be moving players stuff around high sec though

I love the changes, but there is one change that absolutely kills me:

- Ore bonuses will be change from higher amounts to lower cycle times.

GAH! This does nothing but nerfs AFK mining. While that is fine in theory, the problem is the same nerf does not apply to ice mining, which is already a far more AFKable activity. This change as such promotes more ice mining and less ore mining due to the increased tedium associated.

We already have a problem with ice mining being too AFKable and thus ore mining being very much a secondary option for most miners. Please reconsider this change.

Fozzie, It seems that you completely missed the mark on the Procurer. As Most of the other people have posted agree removing the midslot in exchange for an extra low slot is a bad deal. While I can agree that the ability to fit another MLU would be nice I would much rather have the tank that is provided by the 4th mid slot.

Given the hulk's rather poor PG, how come it's still going to have 4 mids going forward? I'm struggling to think of hulk fits that make full use of 4 mids. 2, sure. 3, at a stretch but 4 seems too much.

I'm no miner, so forgive me if I've missed something obvious.

Alright, a couple things and my opinions on these changes.

Procurer changes: liking the extra yield, loving the speed and locking range increase. I already use these due to the align time and cost, not to mention the tank allowing them to frighten off an Interceptor or two. Especially if they're dumb enough to get in range of my scram and web. The increased drone damage and bay are awesome, really liking the changes overall... except for the lost mid. Now instead of 2x Invuln/web/scram I'll have to run a different setup. No big deal though. All's good. Definitely liking the increased speed though.

Skiff changes: **** yes. Increased drone damage and HP, an extra low slot, enough CPU to use it, more locking range, and more yield. What's not to love? Can't complain at all.

Retriever/Mackinaw changes: I don't use them myself, so can't be bothered to comment too much, but a highsec mining nerf indirectly buffs nullsec mining, so I am okay with this (I think).

Covetor/Hulk changes: the range is nice, the increase to speed is alright, and the 1s buff to align time is cool. Still too damn slow to align to use though, and if caught it doesn't stand a chance against a 'ceptor, let alone the gang following behind him (if you even live that long.)

Overall changes: on the note of yield versus cycle time, I do like the cycle time more as it means less missed cycles, but I don't like how the changes impact crystal use/damage and capacitor use.

I just really want to draw attention to the increased crystal damage thanks to cycle time, and the increased capacitor use. Is this an intentional change?


Other than that, these changes are a buff to my style of play, so no complaints.

I like the changes, but the hulk and covetor are still not worth using in my opinion.

I like the extra range on mining lasers, and the speed boost. Although I think they should have increased cargo and ore holds, up to the level of the procurer and skiff.

Also the covetor should have 25m3 drone bay instead of 50m3 for consistency.

Procurer and Skiff are very nice, and the change was much needed there.

Orcas in null sec mining anoms are lossmails waiting to happen. Having scans isn't worth that.

Others have said it, but it bears repeating: Flying a hulk is still pointless. Without the ability to carry more crystals, any so-called advantage it may have on paper when it comes to ore vs. time is lost flying back and forth to your secure can, POS, station, yurt, or whatever is holding your lenses. The fitting is still gimped, and the tank is laughable. Increasing the laser range is a buff? Puh-leeze. Give it a large ammo bay for lenses and drop the cargo to something like 20m3 (just enough for spare drones or module swaps) so it's obvious that this is a mining ship, and any other use deserves an ALOD.

To those that are flying bait procurers and complaining about the slot change, you now have a procurer with more EHP (dual bulkheads+DC), dual webs, scram/long point and bonused drones that can get enormous EHP with durability rigs.

hull tank best tank .-

The suggestion of an "Ammo Bay" or specialised hold specifically for mining crystals is actually a very good one.

I am also in the mind set that the only two useful Exhumers are the Skiff and the Mackinaw (and their T1 counterparts). The Hulk doesn't have enough of an advantage in m^3/min over the Mackinaw and it's tank is a little too weak. If the Hulk had the same Ore Hold as the Skiff and the tank of the Mackinaw and a 5-10% buff in m^3/min it would be appealing as a fleet option. Currently. It isn't!