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[Tengu] - Blood Raider DED 5-6
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Blaze Cypher
Death Mental Incorporated
#1 - 2014-03-29 21:53:51 UTC
Looking for feedback on this fit to be used in lowsec for blood raider DED sites.
Incase you are wondering why i have no Cloak, I was thinking with the new Mobile Depot I can just swith between the fittings for travelling/probing and combat on the run.


[Tengu, BL Plexer]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifieler II
Gist A-Type EM Ward Field
Gist A-Type EM Ward Field
Cap Recharger II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


I'm not quite sure about the Rigor since I was told with the new precision missile buff it's not needed anymore but I don't know what to use instead.
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
#2 - 2014-03-29 22:49:13 UTC
[Tengu, BL Plexer]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Gist A-Type EM Ward Field
Gist A-Type EM Ward Field
Cap Recharger II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

I'd use the medium booster,it is very cheap now. Same DPS, more tank. price should end up roughly the same.
Blaze Cypher
Death Mental Incorporated
#3 - 2014-03-29 23:13:36 UTC
Thank you for your suggestions.

Quote:
I'd use the medium booster,it is very cheap now. Same DPS, more tank. price should end up roughly the same.


I don't really like the fact that the Medium Booster has worse shield/capacitor usage ratio. That's why I sticked with the small booster. On the other hand I'm not sure what the EHP/s should look like for those sites.

Do you have any numbers in your head regarding the tank?
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
#4 - 2014-03-29 23:29:13 UTC
You'll be fine mostly, BR have less than stellar tracking. The last room of the 5/10 on the other hand does not allow for a speed tank with its web towers. I'd rather have a stronger tank here.
Shalashaska Adam
Snakes and Lasers
#5 - 2014-03-30 07:01:05 UTC
I am making a Tengu fit for this same purpose, Blood Raider DED 5-6.

However I only have T2 hams trained, and would prefer to use them.

Can the Tengu be made to handle these sites with hams, what would be the optimal fit?
Laiannah Sahireen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-03-30 08:54:59 UTC
Shalashaska Adam wrote:
I am making a Tengu fit for this same purpose, Blood Raider DED 5-6.

However I only have T2 hams trained, and would prefer to use them.

Can the Tengu be made to handle these sites with hams, what would be the optimal fit?


HAMs will work, but you will definitely find you have to be much more careful with your maneuvering. The 5/10 tends to have 2 or 3 battleships per pocket that will neut you pretty heavily if you get within 25km. You will need to make sure you stay between 25km and whatever the max range of your HAMs is. For Rage missiles, this will be anything up to 37 depending on skills and implants.

The Tengu really isn't ideal for Blood Raider sites, due to the fact that it has a base 0% EM resist and it can't use its kinetic damage bonus. It will get the job done, but there are definitely better options, such as the stratios or ishtar.
Blaze Cypher
Death Mental Incorporated
#7 - 2014-03-30 09:09:16 UTC
Quote:
The Tengu really isn't ideal for Blood Raider sites, due to the fact that it has a base 0% EM resist and it can't use its kinetic damage bonus. It will get the job done, but there are definitely better options, such as the stratios or ishtar.


which kind of sites do you suggest instead for using the Tengu? I just randomly picked BL.
+ what will i replace the 2 EM Wards with?
Shalashaska Adam
Snakes and Lasers
#8 - 2014-03-30 14:55:06 UTC
Laiannah Sahireen wrote:
HAMs will work, but you will definitely find you have to be much more careful with your maneuvering. The 5/10 tends to have 2 or 3 battleships per pocket that will neut you pretty heavily if you get within 25km. You will need to make sure you stay between 25km and whatever the max range of your HAMs is. For Rage missiles, this will be anything up to 37 depending on skills and implants.

The Tengu really isn't ideal for Blood Raider sites, due to the fact that it has a base 0% EM resist and it can't use its kinetic damage bonus. It will get the job done, but there are definitely better options, such as the stratios or ishtar.


I intend to use javelins with range rigs to reach out to about 65km with my skills.

My worry is the stasis tower room in the DED5.

I am not sure what kind of blood tank I need to mount in order to survive the room stationary untill the towers are down.

I currently have a Gist-C medium booster with an amp and two em wards, and its about 400ehps vs blood raiders.

I am guessing that I need to change it up a bit to get more upfront burst tank at the expense of cap stability.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#9 - 2014-03-31 20:14:55 UTC
I spent a great deal of time in Blood low running this:

[Tengu, exploration killer current]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Improved Cloaking Device II

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

For a travel fit I used this:

[Tengu, exploration prober current]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Expanded Cargohold II

Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Relic Analyzer II
Cargo Scanner II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile x5000
Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile x2000
Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile x1000
Scourge Fury Heavy Missile x1000

I'd carry a damage control and usually ran that for 5/10s. It paid for my account for several years. I use a Legion now but I was pretty happy with the Tengu overall.
The President's Aide
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-04-01 21:35:26 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
I use a Legion now but I was pretty happy with the Tengu overall.


Mind sharing the Legion fit?
Laiannah Sahireen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-04-02 12:25:54 UTC
Blaze Cypher wrote:
Quote:
The Tengu really isn't ideal for Blood Raider sites, due to the fact that it has a base 0% EM resist and it can't use its kinetic damage bonus. It will get the job done, but there are definitely better options, such as the stratios or ishtar.


which kind of sites do you suggest instead for using the Tengu? I just randomly picked BL.
+ what will i replace the 2 EM Wards with?


Tengu has amazing natural resists against guristas and serpentis and both of those factions take a lot of damage from kinetic missiles, which the Tengu has a bonus for.

Using a kinetic and a thermal hardener against them will give you a godly tank that would be pretty much impossible to match when trying to tank a tengu against blood raiders or sansha