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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#301 - 2014-04-01 22:44:41 UTC
I believe that EVE would not exist without Mr Epeen (at least the cool guy behind him).

In fact the entire world was only created at the moment of my birth and will cease to exist when I expire. It is here for my entertainment and mine alone.

And you know what else? When I close my eyes, no one can see me.

Mr Epeen Cool
Shrewd Tsero
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#302 - 2014-04-01 23:02:20 UTC
Can I just interject the irony of forum PvPing to prove that Eve is a PvE game?

It is good to have substance to one's existence.  But in the absence of substance, one can do much yet with style.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#303 - 2014-04-01 23:18:32 UTC
Congrats Percival Rose on beating the necro-lock P

Well played.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#304 - 2014-04-01 23:20:45 UTC
This is an op who does not know what he is talking about. You could take combat out of eve online completely and it would still be PVP -centric (though perhaps not as popular).

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#305 - 2014-04-01 23:22:09 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Congrats Percival Rose on beating the necro-lock P

Well played.


Indeed.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#306 - 2014-04-01 23:30:21 UTC
This topic was bad when it was first started.

Necromancy doesn't make things come back from the dead smelling any better.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#307 - 2014-04-01 23:33:54 UTC
Meyr wrote:

NO ONE can pay for their PVP by only doing PVP. Your SRP is paid for by corp or alliance taxes, which, ultimately, are generated by PVE. Your Faction Warfare ships are paid for by the PVE portion of FW, not just by 'pew-pew.'


Sorry, but I've been living off of some creative asset re-allocation and faction/deadspace mods blown off of dumb people for a good while now.

And I generally forget to file for SRP.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#308 - 2014-04-01 23:34:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
This topic was bad when it was first started.

Necromancy doesn't make things come back from the dead smelling any better.
Things that come back from the dead are usually bloodthirsty, and downright evil.

Bit like Eve.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Feyd's Survival Pack
General Nusense
Doomheim
#309 - 2014-04-02 00:22:03 UTC
Everyone vs. Everyone.

EVE.

PVP.


/Thread.

Made a signature so I am taken seriously on the forums, since thats the only thing they are good for.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#310 - 2014-04-02 00:33:31 UTC
Oh dear, OP threatened to reveal the truth about the size (or lack thereof) of everyone's all-important e-peens. Out come the torches and pitchforks!

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#311 - 2014-04-02 00:47:19 UTC
EVE is whatever you want it to be. Stop worrying about OTHER people's definitions. Go make yours happen
MutnantRebel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#312 - 2014-04-02 01:42:11 UTC
You just went Full Wetard.... NEVER. GO. FULL. WETARD.

Trailer Trash and proud of it!
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#313 - 2014-04-02 02:07:40 UTC
Meyr wrote:
Sorry - I don't count ganking as PVP - it's a PK activity, pure and simple.

That stated, what else do you term as 'PVP paying for itself?'

ganking is pvp in the same way two combat ships in lowsec is. except in ganking, the defender is GUARANTEED to kill his aggressor, it is up to the aggressor to bring the proper ships to overwhelm the defenders tank before he gets to fire his CONCORD.

So thats ship vs ship, both have offensive capabilities, and to "even out" the fact that the pvp is by "surprise", the victim you so valiantly defend is given near-perfect advantages, again, CONCORD, the ULTIMATE weapon against any ship ever and forever.
Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#314 - 2014-04-02 06:55:48 UTC
This necro might be the best April Fools troll yet. I wonder how many pages it will get.
Ella Echerie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#315 - 2014-04-02 11:12:26 UTC
Pointless troll thread is... um... pointless (and full of trolls).

PvE = ISK faucet.
PvP = ISK sink.

The balance between these rules keeps the power creep in check, and enables the persistent world sandbox.

The conflict driver for PvP should be to gain access to more valuable PvE. Some legitimately argue this is lacking at the moment, but methinks CCP know this and are working towards solutions.

EVE is both PvE and PvP by necessity, anyone who suggests otherwise has tunnel vision.
cpt Mark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#316 - 2014-04-02 11:26:58 UTC
Meyr wrote:
Yes, I know some of you are going to threaten revenge for (insert whatever you want here).

Too bad.

EVE Online is PVE. PVP is what DRIVES EVE Online. The desire for fights, space, vengeance, and much more, but it's all based upon PVE.

You can disagree all you want to, but, at its core, PVE is what enables all of the PVP.

Wether it's mining (yes, all of you nullsec hardcases, MOON MINING IS STILL MINING - it's just the ultimate in AFK PVE), manufacturing, ratting, Faction Warfare, trading (yes, at the highest levels, trading is PVP, but not to 99% of the PEOPLE doing it), or mission-running, PVE is what EVE is based upon.

NO ONE can pay for their PVP by only doing PVP. Your SRP is paid for by corp or alliance taxes, which, ultimately, are generated by PVE. Your Faction Warfare ships are paid for by the PVE portion of FW, not just by 'pew-pew.'

Just because someone doesn't want to PVP doesn't mean they're "doing it wrong." Quite the contrary - they're doing it how they want to. They're paying their subscription fee to CCP, and getting something they enjoy in return.

THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is the ultimate sandbox. Stop your moronic, short-sighted, and stupidly egotistical sneering at those evil, lazy, cowardly, and dirty mission-runners - who do you think just bought that X-Type X-Large Shield Booster from you? Some idiot looking to pad your killboard in the next fleet fight? Of course not.

Some people want to 'pew-pew!' Nothing wrong with that. Others just want to build things. Great - someone has to make new stuff to replace the losses, or supply new doctrines.

Others just want to have the shiniest, most ISK-per-module 'blinged-out' "ain't no rat gonna kill this" mission-running ship. It's a goal - just like that top-end Bougatti you'll never even come close to pushing to its limits.

So, stating that EVE is only a 'harsh, cold, dangerous place' is, at best, myopic - it merely goes to show how self-centered you are. I've made great friends of people I'll probably never meet in person. I've spent time enjoying solo play, and I've been one more name in local during huge fleet fights.

EVE is what you make of it - but it's all paid for by PVE. No PVE, no PVP.

Yes, it really is that simple.


Umm.. I can pay for my PVP just from doing PVP...
Solecist Project
#317 - 2014-04-02 11:27:03 UTC
Ella Echerie wrote:
Pointless troll thread is... um... pointless (and full of trolls).

PvE = ISK faucet.
PvP = ISK sink.

The balance between these rules keeps the power creep in check, and enables the persistent world sandbox.

The conflict driver for PvP should be to gain access to more valuable PvE. Some legitimately argue this is lacking at the moment, but methinks CCP know this and are working towards solutions.

EVE is both PvE and PvP by necessity, anyone who suggests otherwise has tunnel vision.

How is PvP an isk sink?

Ships get bought from people.
Insurance creates ISK out of nothing.
Modules get bought from people.

What did I miss?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#318 - 2014-04-02 11:30:39 UTC
There are no rewards for PvP whatsoever so yes I agree.

Not today spaghetti.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#319 - 2014-04-02 11:47:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Meyr wrote:
Yes, I know some of you are going to threaten revenge for the disappearance of your brother Damien.

Too bad.


I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want.

If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career.

Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my brother go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#320 - 2014-04-02 11:57:12 UTC
actually pvp is good business