These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

First post First post First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1921 - 2014-04-02 06:43:23 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
The issue isn't even close to dead.

Sure it is. Most people have stopped posting. CCP isn't responding to anything you post.

It's GG. You're sitting in the plex after the site has despawned, adamant that there is more content, that if you just wait long enough "somethingTM" will happen in favor of your argument.

By all means continue to post. The last several pages are an echo chamber for people who lost an argument but refuse to admit it. This will be an interesting EO cultural artifact years from now.


Just for future reference. Hit your num lock key and then hold down the alt key while typing 0153 on the num-pad.

Something™

It just looks nicer.

Mr Epeen Cool
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1922 - 2014-04-02 06:54:44 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara proving the discussion is far from closed.

So I take it your stance on things is:
I'm perfectly fine with double, tripple standards as long as it doesn't affect my little bubble.
I'm perfectly fine with CCP stealing from people who got themselves on the shitlist of some moral crusading CSM.
I'm perfectly fine with all people who received the 'logs don't show anything' response in the past.
I'm perfectly fine with paying for stuff and not get it.
I'm perfectly fine with changing the core attraction to EVE.
I'm perfectly fine with people using racial slurs and death threats when they have their feelings hurt.
I'm perfectly fine.

Ok, that's your prerogative

I and many others aren't perfectly fine with this BS. Hence we discuss and try to come with a standpoint the CSM should recommend to CCP as the way forward.
You don't like open discussions or transparency? Nobody is forcing you to read it Lol

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Winchester Steele
#1923 - 2014-04-02 07:32:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Winchester Steele
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
The issue isn't even close to dead.

Sure it is. Most people have stopped posting. CCP isn't responding to anything you post.

It's GG. You're sitting in the plex after the site has despawned, adamant that there is more content, that if you just wait long enough "somethingTM" will happen in favor of your argument.

By all means continue to post. The last several pages are an echo chamber for people who lost an argument but refuse to admit it. This will be an interesting EO cultural artifact years from now.



This post tells me that you don't even know what the issue is.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to remind you that you are still posting here too. Kind of silly to point one finger at me, while 3 are pointing right back at you.

Like I said. If you have a problem with my posting, and it seems like you do, feel free to block me. I'm not changing a goddamn thing, most certainly not my opinion, for the likes of you. Cool

...

Winchester Steele
#1924 - 2014-04-02 07:35:12 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
The issue isn't even close to dead.

Sure it is. Most people have stopped posting. CCP isn't responding to anything you post.

It's GG. You're sitting in the plex after the site has despawned, adamant that there is more content, that if you just wait long enough "somethingTM" will happen in favor of your argument.

By all means continue to post. The last several pages are an echo chamber for people who lost an argument but refuse to admit it. This will be an interesting EO cultural artifact years from now.


Just for future reference. Hit your num lock key and then hold down the alt key while typing 0153 on the num-pad.

Something™

It just looks nicer.

Mr Epeen Cool



I would honestly like to thank you for that bit of information.. I was trying to figure out how to do that the other day to no avail.

...

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1925 - 2014-04-02 08:11:30 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
The issue isn't even close to dead.

Sure it is. Most people have stopped posting. CCP isn't responding to anything you post.

It's GG. You're sitting in the plex after the site has despawned, adamant that there is more content, that if you just wait long enough "somethingTM" will happen in favor of your argument.

By all means continue to post. The last several pages are an echo chamber for people who lost an argument but refuse to admit it. This will be an interesting EO cultural artifact years from now.


Just for future reference. Hit your num lock key and then hold down the alt key while typing 0153 on the num-pad.

Something™

It just looks nicer.

Mr Epeen Cool



I would honestly like to thank you for that bit of information.. I was trying to figure out how to do that the other day to no avail.


No problem. They're called alt codes and there's a **** ton of them. Just Google 'alt code' and you'll find whatever you need for any occasion.

Mr Epeen Cool
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#1926 - 2014-04-02 08:46:07 UTC
Free The One And Only Honest Isk Doubler

Down with CSM members who abuse their privileged position and trivialise real world suffering as part of a dedicated "hit" against individual, personal targets in game.
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#1927 - 2014-04-02 08:47:44 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
This post tells me that you don't even know what the issue is.

That's because there is no "issue". Whatever your gripe, no one really cares except the other 4 or 5 people posting along with you.

Winchester Steele wrote:
I'd also like to take this opportunity to remind you that you are still posting here too. Kind of silly to point one finger at me, while 3 are pointing right back at you.

Like I said. If you have a problem with my posting, and it seems like you do, feel free to block me. I'm not changing a goddamn thing, most certainly not my opinion, for the likes of you. Cool

This is particularly rich, since you first told me to stop posting several pages back.

Funny how you treat people one way, then complain when you are treated the same way back. Or maybe it isn't so funny.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Winchester Steele
#1928 - 2014-04-02 09:26:16 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
This post tells me that you don't even know what the issue is.

That's because there is no "issue". Whatever your gripe, no one really cares except the other 4 or 5 people posting along with you.

Winchester Steele wrote:
I'd also like to take this opportunity to remind you that you are still posting here too. Kind of silly to point one finger at me, while 3 are pointing right back at you.

Like I said. If you have a problem with my posting, and it seems like you do, feel free to block me. I'm not changing a goddamn thing, most certainly not my opinion, for the likes of you. Cool

This is particularly rich, since you first told me to stop posting several pages back.

Funny how you treat people one way, then complain when you are treated the same way back. Or maybe it isn't so funny.



And I apologized for the personal attack. It seems you however, are unable to let it go. Whatever. Keep trolling, I am not sinking to that level anymore.

Whether you see an issue or not is entirely irrelevant. There are lots of people who do. And considering every second thread for the last 4 years that I've been lurking on GD is about griefing, ganking or harassment I think my assessment that the issue is alive and well is borne out by the evidence in front of us.

Protip: It has very little to do with E1 except as a use-case example or a springboard for larger discussion.

...

Salvos Rhoska
#1929 - 2014-04-02 09:51:34 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
There are lots of people who do


You mean lots of alts.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1930 - 2014-04-02 09:52:58 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
There are lots of people who do


You mean lots of alts.


Alts are people too! Cry

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Winchester Steele
#1931 - 2014-04-02 09:57:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Winchester Steele
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
There are lots of people who do


You mean lots of alts.



If you say so dude. Thing is, I've interacted with a lot of these folks in game (or forums) in one way or another over the years and know them to not be alts. You are free to believe what you will though, I won't for a moment pretend I can change your outlook.

Or to clarify. Know them to not all be alts of the same person as you seem to be implying.

...

Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
#1932 - 2014-04-02 10:47:51 UTC
Just a thought on all the discussion and differences of opinion here on this thread, and the original of course.

I think that there is a false dilemma here.

It's not a question of is or is not out of game activity a matter for CCP to be concerned with. Neither is it a case of this kind of thing being harassment or plain taking advantage of a gullible, greedy player who should have known better.

The real point is that of bringing the game into disrepute.

There appears to be no question that Erotica 1 has potentially damaged the reputation of EVE and CCP by his activities. The podcast is irrefutable proof of that, and as such, CCP is quite within their rights to take such action so as to limit the adverse consequences of Erotica 1's actions.

Is a ban, either temporary or permanent in this case justified? I don't know. That's up to CCP to decide.

Here in the UK we have plenty of reports of footballers being charged with "bringing the game into disrepute" when a player steps out of line and says or does something that adversely affects the game's reputation. I think that's what has happened here.

Slightly off topic.

What The Mitanni did was equivalent to an offense much in the news here lately. That of "misconduct in a public office".

In my opinion far more serious and deserving of stronger sanctions.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1933 - 2014-04-02 10:52:36 UTC
Jaxon Grylls wrote:

The real point is that of bringing the game into disrepute.


The high-brow and considered opinion of those who play other games of this type is that EvE is full of Sheldon Coopers, Oppenhiemers and accountants.

The opinion of "modern gamers" (ugh) is "Whats EvE?" or "When's the new console game out, I dont have a PC"

The opinion of anyone slightly clued in but not a player of EvE is "Doesnt that happen all the time in that game?"

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#1934 - 2014-04-02 11:04:06 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Jaxon Grylls wrote:

The real point is that of bringing the game into disrepute.


The high-brow and considered opinion of those who play other games of this type is that EvE is full of Sheldon Coopers, Oppenhiemers and accountants.

The opinion of "modern gamers" (ugh) is "Whats EvE?" or "When's the new console game out, I dont have a PC"

The opinion of anyone slightly clued in but not a player of EvE is "Doesnt that happen all the time in that game?"


Exactly. Eve is already known for being full of scammers and all manner of underhandedness. FFS it's one if it's selling points, it's what makes it different from every other hand-holding mmo out there.


\m/ O.o \m/

"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
#1935 - 2014-04-02 11:11:32 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

The high-brow and considered opinion of those who play other games of this type is that EvE is full of Sheldon Coopers, Oppenhiemers and accountants.

The opinion of "modern gamers" (ugh) is "Whats EvE?" or "When's the new console game out, I dont have a PC"

The opinion of anyone slightly clued in but not a player of EvE is "Doesnt that happen all the time in that game?"

Quite possibly so.

In this case, however, the offense was so blatant that I think that CCP had no option than to bring down the hammer on Erotic1, if indeed that is what has happened. I don't know if it has and quite frankly don't want to know.

If /when this gets picked up by the general media, it is going to do CCP no favours and that surely must mean that they try and protect their main business asset by all available means.
Winchester Steele
#1936 - 2014-04-02 11:29:54 UTC
Jaxon Grylls wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

The high-brow and considered opinion of those who play other games of this type is that EvE is full of Sheldon Coopers, Oppenhiemers and accountants.

The opinion of "modern gamers" (ugh) is "Whats EvE?" or "When's the new console game out, I dont have a PC"

The opinion of anyone slightly clued in but not a player of EvE is "Doesnt that happen all the time in that game?"

Quite possibly so.

In this case, however, the offense was so blatant that I think that CCP had no option than to bring down the hammer on Erotic1, if indeed that is what has happened. I don't know if it has and quite frankly don't want to know.

If /when this gets picked up by the general media, it is going to do CCP no favours and that surely must mean that they try and protect their main business asset by all available means.



Let's pretend anybody besides the 10 people in this thread care about this issue in the slightest.

...

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1937 - 2014-04-02 11:39:59 UTC
Jaxon Grylls wrote:

In this case, however, the offense was so blatant that I think that CCP had no option than to bring down the hammer on Erotic1


This is your opinion. Others have differing opinions of equal validity

Jaxon Grylls wrote:
If /when this gets picked up by the general media, it is going to do CCP no favours and that surely must mean that they try and protect their main business asset by all available means.


Well no one is saying they shouldnt, and I completely accept this is their motivating factor rather than any claim of doing the right thing or any nonsense about morality. But I sincerly doubt that the general media (sic) will have any interest in this at all. Infact if we can define general media I would place isk on it not making news.

I dont believe in gambling unless the odds are so stacked in my favour its not mathematically a gamble, so.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#1938 - 2014-04-02 12:44:06 UTC
Speaking of general media, I wonder what the larger gaming community as a whole will think of CCP apparently asserting (through it's actions) that their TOS and EULA extends outside of the game and into the personal lives and private property of it's players.

\m/ O.o \m/

"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1939 - 2014-04-02 13:05:26 UTC
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
Speaking of general media, I wonder what the larger gaming community as a whole will think of CCP apparently asserting (through it's actions) that their TOS and EULA extends outside of the game and into the personal lives and private property of it's players.



Like the WoW player base who by the rules of their EULA can be banned for giving their character a name, and for the very act of using VOIP in the first place?

Or Anyone on an EA server who can be banned under their EULA for bad mouthing EA on facebook?

Im guessing they would say "about time"

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1940 - 2014-04-02 14:04:17 UTC
Jaxon Grylls wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

The high-brow and considered opinion of those who play other games of this type is that EvE is full of Sheldon Coopers, Oppenhiemers and accountants.

The opinion of "modern gamers" (ugh) is "Whats EvE?" or "When's the new console game out, I dont have a PC"

The opinion of anyone slightly clued in but not a player of EvE is "Doesnt that happen all the time in that game?"

Quite possibly so.

In this case, however, the offense was so blatant that I think that CCP had no option than to bring down the hammer on Erotic1, if indeed that is what has happened. I don't know if it has and quite frankly don't want to know.



EXCEPT it had been happening (and theyd been aware of it) for five MONTHS and they didnt act (because the victim didnt even REPORT IT) until the self proclaimed ridder of evil made his blog.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.