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Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1901 - 2014-04-01 20:05:33 UTC
The latest minerbumping brings clarity

All fine and dandy isn't it? Who is a sick psycho again?

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1902 - 2014-04-01 20:26:19 UTC
Danalee wrote:
The latest minerbumping brings clarity

All fine and dandy isn't it? Who is a sick psycho again?

D.

Bear


Nice April 1st blog.

Mr Epeen Cool
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#1903 - 2014-04-01 20:42:19 UTC
arabella blood wrote:
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
Surprised people haven't started flying in circles around and shooting the Jita monument yet.


Perhaps that is because the two or three people who feel that CCP acted unfairly with regard to Ero, are too busy filling the forums with tears to actually shoot the Jita monument Smile


I don't feel that CCP acted unfairly with regard to Ero, I think they acted (by choosing NOT to act) unfairly with regard to Sohkar. Basically, the message CCP is sending the community is that it's perfectly acceptable to use racial slurs and even to threaten to MURDER someone IRL provided the target of your DEATH THREATS is either sufficiently unpopular or has been deemed to have sufficiently pissed you off, first. Either ban them both or ban neither.




Heard he is banned for 30days.


As far as I am aware he has not been banned, I haven't read anything to suggest he's been banned other than speculation in this thread, do you have a source you can link that confirms that he has been banned.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#1904 - 2014-04-01 20:45:41 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
arabella blood wrote:
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
Surprised people haven't started flying in circles around and shooting the Jita monument yet.


Perhaps that is because the two or three people who feel that CCP acted unfairly with regard to Ero, are too busy filling the forums with tears to actually shoot the Jita monument Smile


I don't feel that CCP acted unfairly with regard to Ero, I think they acted (by choosing NOT to act) unfairly with regard to Sohkar. Basically, the message CCP is sending the community is that it's perfectly acceptable to use racial slurs and even to threaten to MURDER someone IRL provided the target of your DEATH THREATS is either sufficiently unpopular or has been deemed to have sufficiently pissed you off, first. Either ban them both or ban neither.




Heard he is banned for 30days.


As far as I am aware he has not been banned, I haven't read anything to suggest he's been banned other than speculation in this thread, do you have a source you can link that confirms that he has been banned.


Yeah I've been wondering where people have been getting that as well. Figured maybe it was posted somewhere and I simply hadn't seen it or something.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1905 - 2014-04-01 21:08:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Mr Epeen wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
arabella blood wrote:

Go watch "12 angry men" again ;) especially the part when he screams 'i am going to kill you"...


Movies are real and we should follow their example as to how to live our real lives


Might be too early for me but to fully grasp what I just read, but a video game? It ain't real either.

Mr Epeen Cool



My point

You're grasping it warmly Blink

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#1906 - 2014-04-01 21:20:43 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

The Rules:
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.

6. Racism and discrimination are prohibited.

Racism, gender stereotyping and hate speech are not permitted on the EVE Online Forums. Derogatory posting that includes race, religion or sexual preference based personal attacks and trolling can result in immediate suspension of forum posting privileges.

And please people, if you come across a post that has broken the forum rules, report it!

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1907 - 2014-04-01 22:28:49 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
ISD Ezwal wrote:
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

The Rules:
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.

6. Racism and discrimination are prohibited.

Racism, gender stereotyping and hate speech are not permitted on the EVE Online Forums. Derogatory posting that includes race, religion or sexual preference based personal attacks and trolling can result in immediate suspension of forum posting privileges.

And please people, if you come across a post that has broken the forum rules, report it!


One 381 page thread and now a second almost to 100 pages! All over one player who gave away his stuff... Hmmm I might give away some stuff to get my own 300+ page thread P

Edit: Gave away his in game stuff then was emotionally crushed over it... I could fake it but not very well. I don't think anyone would buy my acting Cry
Winchester Steele
#1908 - 2014-04-02 00:29:45 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Danalee wrote:
The latest minerbumping brings clarity

All fine and dandy isn't it? Who is a sick psycho again?

D.

Bear


Nice April 1st blog.

Mr Epeen Cool



If only that were true.

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Winchester Steele
#1909 - 2014-04-02 00:34:28 UTC
arabella blood wrote:



I like your system. It will save a lot of money on judges paychecks.
We are going to put an automated machine for judging and sentecing. You will input the data you have on the crime and the machine will decide guilty or not guilty. Then just print the same sentence for all.
Hek, we could use 12 machines, each will give slightly preferred value for different aspects, and make the machines vote until they agree on 1 answer. Then just sentence - thats the easy part...


Save the money on the machine and just use Ripard. All he wants in exchange is page views.

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Winchester Steele
#1910 - 2014-04-02 00:55:47 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Why do people keep equating stupid with carebear in this thread?

I remember back when Erotica1 made bonus room victims spam our in-boxes to announce their upcoming degradation, I received mails from some pretty prominent PVP players.

It's not what you choose as a career that makes you stupid. It's that you think you can get something for nothing in this game. And from what I've seen there is no shortage of stupid right across the spectrum here.

Mr Epeen Cool


So you knew this was going on. Hoe many petitions did YOU fill out?



None. Because his "disgust" for the bonus room is 100% manufactured, just like pretty much all the other "white knights" in this thread. (Except Salvos, I was on comms with him and he is just too real)

I do find it hilarious that Epeen outs himself as an utter hypocrit though, so +1 for that.

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Winchester Steele
#1911 - 2014-04-02 01:07:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Winchester Steele
Leto Thule wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:


I have not seen an answer to this:



You are typing words, so I know you are probably not blind. I can think of no other explanation as to how you missed the many DEV and CSM answers to this.

Mr Epeen Cool


I must be blind. In case I have missed it (hey, maybe so, its a huge thread, in which case youll have to pardon my mistake), nothing has been posted as to how someone can volunteer to be harassed, and how in fact that is anyone's problem but the idiot that volunteered.




Shhh. Get your logic out of here. This is a witchhunt, not an intelligent debate.

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Winchester Steele
#1912 - 2014-04-02 01:17:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Winchester Steele
Mr Epeen wrote:
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
You folks need to get of the Erotica1 ****. Whats done is done. The issue is what precedent CCP has established.

Which is cave to mob mentality.


And to give a free pass to racial slurs and threats of real-life violence and murder so long as it's because the other guy pissed you off.


I'll let Malcanis answer that one:

Malcanis wrote:
You want CCP to ban erotica1 for deliberately tormenting a player until he loses control, and then also ban the player for losing control? Is that right?

Really, you should be relieved that Sokhar hasn't been banned; it demonstrates that the GMs are capable of understanding context, and they will empathise with the circumstances, and they can tell the difference between something said in the heat of the moment and something said with actual intent. So you can relax and not worry about being banned for a trivial or flippant statement on private comms, of whatever other ridiculous scenarios are being bandied about.




But officer, he made me really mad. He made me sing and took all my spaceship money. That's why I called him a ****** and threatened to "gut his mother."

Oh well then, why didn't you say so. You are free to go. Roll

The only thing your quote demonstrates is that Malcanis isn't very smart and that I'm hella glad opinions like yours and his don't prevail in the real world.

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Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#1913 - 2014-04-02 05:04:02 UTC
Dude, when the last 5 posts in the thread are you ranting at various people, please just stop posting. The issue is dead.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1914 - 2014-04-02 05:30:40 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Dude, when the last 5 posts in the thread are you ranting at various people, please just stop posting. The issue is dead.


And if you just wish for it very, very, very, very, very hard: It still won't be Lol

This is what is going on and your lack of outrage from it paints a sad picture of you;
What we are talking about is that CCP has condoned the bonus room and all other antics of the villains of EVE online for over 10 years. It's what sets them appart from all the other masses appeasing games, games that are a fad today but dissapear tommorow.
Now, pressurised by someone who tried petitionning Ero first, but failed to get him banned. Someone who is supposed to be the elected voice of our community. Someone on a personnal crusade to take away everything that makes EVE fun, CCP in a knee-jerk reaction banned a valuable asset to our game. No warning, no debate, just banned.
Other cases always end where the logs show nothing but only for Erotica 1 CCP makes an exception, edged on to take action by a freakin' CSM member of all people.

Who's next?

BOTTOM LINE: CCP can not refuse service to paying custommers who abide by the written rules. If CCP feels someone is crossing an imaginary boundary in their sandbox they can open dialogue with who they percieve as perpetrator by means of talking, warning and if that fails: banning.

And if you want to be an asshat, then do so. It's the one and only unique selling point we have left over all the other carebear PC crap that is available.
We can't expect new players to read all forum posts and blogs by CSM members to know how much of a villain they can be.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1915 - 2014-04-02 05:43:57 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Dude, when the last 5 posts in the thread are you ranting at various people, please just stop posting. The issue is dead.


And if you just wish for it very, very, very, very, very hard: It still won't be Lol

This is what is going on and your lack of outrage from it paints a sad picture of you;
What we are talking about is that CCP has condoned the bonus room and all other antics of the villains of EVE online for over 10 years. It's what sets them appart from all the other masses appeasing games, games that are a fad today but dissapear tommorow.
Now, pressurised by someone who tried petitionning Ero first, but failed to get him banned. Someone who is supposed to be the elected voice of our community. Someone on a personnal crusade to take away everything that makes EVE fun, CCP in a knee-jerk reaction banned a valuable asset to our game. No warning, no debate, just banned.
Other cases always end where the logs show nothing but only for Erotica 1 CCP makes an exception, edged on to take action by a freakin' CSM member of all people.

Who's next?

BOTTOM LINE: CCP can not refuse service to paying custommers who abide by the written rules. If CCP feels someone is crossing an imaginary boundary in their sandbox they can open dialogue with who they percieve as perpetrator by means of talking, warning and if that fails: banning.

And if you want to be an asshat, then do so. It's the one and only unique selling point we have left over all the other carebear PC crap that is available.
We can't expect new players to read all forum posts and blogs by CSM members to know how much of a villain they can be.

D.

Bear


TL/DR: I want to be a self righteous butt hurt whiner and CCP can't stop me.

Mr Epeen Cool
Winchester Steele
#1916 - 2014-04-02 05:48:02 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Dude, when the last 5 posts in the thread are you ranting at various people, please just stop posting. The issue is dead.



Hey man I was just catching up after work, get off my ****. The issue isn't even close to dead. The definition of harassment has been, is, and always be a central topic of discussion in Eve. Personally, I find it a fascinating topic and am loving the forum pvp (win or lose, and I'll concede that I'm not very good at it). So if it's all the same to you, I'll just keep doing my thing. If you don't like it, you are more than welcome to block me. I could really not care less either way.

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Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1917 - 2014-04-02 05:52:32 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Dude, when the last 5 posts in the thread are you ranting at various people, please just stop posting. The issue is dead.


And if you just wish for it very, very, very, very, very hard: It still won't be Lol

This is what is going on and your lack of outrage from it paints a sad picture of you;
What we are talking about is that CCP has condoned the bonus room and all other antics of the villains of EVE online for over 10 years. It's what sets them appart from all the other masses appeasing games, games that are a fad today but dissapear tommorow.
Now, pressurised by someone who tried petitionning Ero first, but failed to get him banned. Someone who is supposed to be the elected voice of our community. Someone on a personnal crusade to take away everything that makes EVE fun, CCP in a knee-jerk reaction banned a valuable asset to our game. No warning, no debate, just banned.
Other cases always end where the logs show nothing but only for Erotica 1 CCP makes an exception, edged on to take action by a freakin' CSM member of all people.

Who's next?

BOTTOM LINE: CCP can not refuse service to paying custommers who abide by the written rules. If CCP feels someone is crossing an imaginary boundary in their sandbox they can open dialogue with who they percieve as perpetrator by means of talking, warning and if that fails: banning.

And if you want to be an asshat, then do so. It's the one and only unique selling point we have left over all the other carebear PC crap that is available.
We can't expect new players to read all forum posts and blogs by CSM members to know how much of a villain they can be.


TL/DR: I want to be a self righteous butt hurt whiner and CCP can't stop me.

Mr Epeen Cool


I'm pretty sure you don't know the meaning of half of the words you typed, or you are unaware of the concept of irony;
self righteous?
butt hurt?
whiner?

Pot!
Meet.
Kettle.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1918 - 2014-04-02 06:01:23 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:


As far as I am aware he has not been banned, I haven't read anything to suggest he's been banned other than speculation in this thread, do you have a source you can link that confirms that he has been banned.


Yeah I've been wondering where people have been getting that as well. Figured maybe it was posted somewhere and I simply hadn't seen it or something.


http://funkybacon.blogspot.ca/2014/03/e1sohkar-getting-full-story-in-35-hours.html?showComment=1396230831597

First off, CCP refuses to talk about that Im sure so youll never hear it from them

Quote:
2:35
Erotica 1 is finally located and joins us. I ask a lot of questions, some similar to the round done at 1:12. He confirms his ban, tells us bits about the bonus room his associates could not. Tells his side of the story.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#1919 - 2014-04-02 06:35:44 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
The issue isn't even close to dead.

Sure it is. Most people have stopped posting. CCP isn't responding to anything you post.

It's GG. You're sitting in the plex after the site has despawned, adamant that there is more content, that if you just wait long enough "somethingTM" will happen in favor of your argument.

By all means continue to post. The last several pages are an echo chamber for people who lost an argument but refuse to admit it. This will be an interesting EO cultural artifact years from now.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#1920 - 2014-04-02 06:39:42 UTC
Danalee wrote:
And if you just wish for it very, very, very, very, very hard: It still won't be Lol

I don't have to wish for it. It's actually so.

The argument is over whether you want to believe it or not.

Danalee wrote:
BOTTOM LINE: CCP can not refuse service to paying custommers who abide by the written rules.

Sure they can. They reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, at any time at their own discretion.

Get over it.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays