Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, to be honest I'd love to see an ORE covops frigate: no weapons, but gets a bonus to survey scanner range. Of course this would be accompanied by moving all "static belts" to anomalies, and moving all "ore sites" back to grav sites. Thus you have one team member probing down grav sites, surveying the ore content, and reporting the best ore body back to fleet.

But this thread is about the barges and exhumers, not the future of mining ;)

When I first read this I thought it had to be an April Fool's joke like what Blizzard puts out. I guess it isn't. I can't believe you guys are focused on fixing problems that don't really exist. There are plenty of things in this game that need dev attention more than exhumers.

The real rub on the Proc for me is that I'd need to play around to see how much of that EHP I can get back on my current proc setup with the missing mid.

Edit: Actually, nevermind, a RF bulkhead should do the job nicely in conjunction with a DCU II suppose

Nice improvement and congrats on this much needed buff to the work horses of the industry side of eve. Was thinking, since you wanna improve the abilities and range of the hulk and covetor, why not give a little love to the survey scanners ranges so they can be in par with the new targeting range of 35km and the new strip miner range of this two great mining vessels. Let us know if it is possible for the summer expansion, thx and keep up the good work....

i sincerely hope ccp reads this page and the previous page of feedback.

these changes really do fall wide of the mark, especially considering what they are intending.

trading a mid for a low on the procurer is simply a bad deal. people who mine in a procurer do so because they don't want to replace their ship every few hours when a bored 1 month old catalyst pilot walks in to their mining system.
if the idea was to balance the yield between the two lowest yield ships... i would have been better done by removing a low from the mack/ret and giving them a mid instead. reducing the mack/ret's yield removes the appeal of "afk" mining.

and on a second point; it encourages the use of the hulk/cov as the gap between them and the other barges would increase. while we're at encouraging the use of the hulk/cov if we're standardising all of the non-primary stats a ship has then the hulk/cov needs an ore bay on par with at least the procurer, and a tank equal that of a mack/ret. being able to use the higher yield ships will also discourage 'afk' mining.

the very simple fact is that currently you have two choices;
mine 'afk' because **** it... unless you're losing a retriever every ~hour or so, you're still making isk so who gives a ****?
alternatively the other choice is, be a bit less afk and don't worry about replacing ships because you won't get blown up.

there's no room for a third option of "constantly be monitoring your ****** tiny ore hold ship that's got less tank than a wet paper towel because it has a laughably higher yield". the gap between the cov/hulk and other barges is too small, coupled with how inconvenient it is to use (small cargo capacity, small ore bay capacity, absurdly low ehp) means it isn't a viable prospect in the slightest now that people have turned ganking in to a full time activity and the reward for the increased risk of using those two ships simply isn't there.

Im liking everything but the lost mid slot on the procurer for the low. Keep the 4 mids on that.

at this change it's less yield and consume more mining crystals and so if use tech 2 mining crystals it's more isk need per yield base . and so with now faster cycle = more isk need with crystal . that make crystal worst and more worst . and with this change it's not change much in yield but it's change much in other way , expectially for new player , it's force all new player to spend more and more time to trained skills for more yield .

and so why many people like Retriever and Makinaw , it's because of semi-afk and large ore hold with extra low slot more than other that make it's nearly or more yield with low skills . with covetor and hulk people need to make every 3-6 minute and it's doesn't yield high enough with low skills while compare to retriever and makinaw with 3 low slot.

Not at all, because this is the income nerf to mining that was said not to happen with the Reprocessing changes.
Only one thing bothers me ... Rise said in regard to the Nestor, that CCP is not happy with its price. And now they nerf reprocessing and mining, which will inevitably result in higher prices for all the things. Hypocrisy at its best, eh?

Btw... do I see a stealth Gank nerf here as well? If the Mack is not better than the Skiff any longer (and it's T1 counter parts), why should I use a Mack when I can use a Skiff and make it a lot harder for gankers to get get me?

Underwhelming, the slightest nerf in Ret/Mack yield is not going to push ppl into using something else.

Those slight nerfs/buffs won't get you anywhere, for ppl to start using a Hulk it'd have to have at least twice the yield of it's counterparts I imagine. More Hulks (without any buff to tank) would lead to more pew, be it in the form of ganking or in the form of ore stealing/attacking MTU's dropped to scoop up the huge ammount of jetcans the Hulk would be spewing out.

Also, I think I will have to start PVP'ing in my Skiff now, that could be fun actually :)

I like it, as it makes miners easier to pvp with the shield resistance bonus on exhumers swapped to exhumer skill level.

The only thing missing if I might add as an addition is a compulsory 10million isk mining permit module built into the ship if the user is using the barge or exhumer in high sec. It would check to see if the permit was purchased from an authorized new order agent, and ensure the user was actively playing the game at the keyboard and the user was following the code.

Each year the barge survived the permit would renew and automatically debit 10mil from the users wallet to ensure that the permit is up to date.

Any violation of the code in anyway would self destruct the users mining vessel and drop smart bombing probes which would also smart bomb the users escape pod.

Other then the above looks good.