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[Kronos] Mining Barges and Exhumers

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Marc McIntyre Crendraven
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#81 - 2014-04-01 19:02:26 UTC
does the hulk not get a role bonus?

Eat Lead!!! Err....Antimatter...whatever!
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2014-04-01 19:04:54 UTC
twit brent wrote:
"mind numbing boredom for the PVP pilot"

Which is nothing compared to the rorq pilot

what i thought a rorqual was a starbase module
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#83 - 2014-04-01 19:07:30 UTC
Menor Minayin wrote:
So targeting range goes up, what about the survey scanner?


Indeed. The thing is quite useless with full links already...
Proclus Diadochu
Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#84 - 2014-04-01 19:09:04 UTC
Well, looks like Bait Skiffs will be the future for PVP use.

...and with the drone changes, I'm interested to see how that is going to impact some of the fits we implement.

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#85 - 2014-04-01 19:11:40 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
The Retriever and Mackinaw keep the solo and low-attention mining crown thanks to their untouched massive ore bays. They'll be getting a slight decrease to their yield to help moderate their strength, as the previous round of balancing underestimated how much players value ore hold size.


Please consider one aspect of that activity and do it sometime..

Sitting in a mining boat and slowboating to the next pile of rocks takes longer then warping away and using a ceptor to bookmark the rocks you want to mine beforehand.

If you change systems, you may not want to 'scout and bookmark' your rocks as it cut down your time in the site / belt.

So consider to add a little powergrid and cpu to fit at least a 10nm afterburner to reposition yourself in sites / belts.

Oh, I almost forgot,
a 2-slot shield tank looks kinda iffy on the Procurer.


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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#86 - 2014-04-01 19:15:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Shizuken
Anhenka wrote:

Can you or I refine at equal or higher %'s postpatch? Sure. Will there be enough people refining at a lower yield than current? I think so.


Yeah this is one thing most people on here are ignoring. Just because greater refining yields "can" be possible that does not mean they will be. CCP itself said it wants refining to be a specialized area requiring significant time commitment. That means less people will train it and not nearly as many will have perfect refine on patch day as there are now.

Anyone who thinks mineral/ore prices are dropping in the short/mid term is crazy. Prices will rise, even if only from panic buying. And if there is upward price pressure from structural changes everyone is gonna wish they bought while Trit was still under 5.50 per unit.
Jamir Von Lietuva
Nameless Minions
GaNg BaNg TeAm
#87 - 2014-04-01 19:24:59 UTC
wow another nerf to pirat
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#88 - 2014-04-01 19:41:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tear Jar
This looks like a stealth nerf to suicide gankers. It pushes miners into tankier ships.

The retriever and Mackinaw should have a higher yield, as there is a higher risk in flying them. Mining in a procurer in high sec is almost risk free.

The reason they are popular is that people undervalue this risk. If you consider how much ganks hurt your isk per hour, a skiff is already a smarter choice than a Mackinaw unless you are really good. This change just makes the choice even easier.

Edit: This also helps out botters. Skiffs and procurers are already really popular for bots(as they have a low risk of being ganked). And bots don't care that they constantly have to fly back to station to unload ore.
twit brent
Never Not AFK
#89 - 2014-04-01 19:42:41 UTC
Markku Laaksonen wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
twit brent wrote:
"mind numbing boredom for the PVP pilot"

Which is nothing compared to the rorq pilot


ironically he's probably having the most fun; you know, not having to be at his pc and all. start your boosts then go and do your shopping, or go for a nice bike ride, etc.


My favorite way to have fun playing EVE is not playing EVE.


Maybe we can try for a large boost to fuel bay capacity. That way I can go down to the beach or cinemas. Or maybe i could just sit on the lawn and watch some grass grow.
Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#90 - 2014-04-01 19:50:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ncc 1709
The Cycle time reduction per level has not been balanced by a cap reduction?

is this intentional or will it be fixed by a general cap reduction in laser usage

Also roid scanners need boosting. there limited to 22km but max range setup on the hulk will be 55.625km

is targeting range of all barges exhumers going to be buffed to make use of the 56km range?

the present max without having a commandship or sebo is 31km, yet the lasers hit 44.5, so the 12km boost to targeting will not be enough

Also 300 dps skiff sounds fun :)
Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#91 - 2014-04-01 20:02:41 UTC
twit brent wrote:
[quote=Markku Laaksonen][quote=Dave Stark][quote=twit brent]"mind numbing boredom for the PVP pilot"



Maybe we can try for a large boost to fuel bay capacity. That way I can go down to the beach or cinemas. Or maybe i could just sit on the lawn and watch some grass grow.


you can put hw into the cargo bay... plenty for near 60h run time
Mira Taras
IonTek LLC
#92 - 2014-04-01 20:12:12 UTC
Tharin Malkyre wrote:
Skiffs will blot out the suns.



Then we will mine in the shade!!! LolLolLol
G'host Warrot
Doomheim
#93 - 2014-04-01 20:34:07 UTC
All Hail the Mining Buff \o/

I'm very excited for the next expansion...
I will definitly need more Procurers to go into LuzSec for mining! (\o/ Muhahaha...no more High Carebears stealing my Ores!)

Well done CCP, well done.
Now some

Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#94 - 2014-04-01 20:36:27 UTC
So, most people using the mackinaw will start jet can mining in a skiff now?
Dave Stark
#95 - 2014-04-01 20:53:49 UTC
Aerie Evingod wrote:
So, most people using the mackinaw will start jet can mining in a skiff now?


no, they'll carry on using a mackinaw.
Cultural Enrichment
Jenkem Puffing Association
#96 - 2014-04-01 20:57:49 UTC
Procurers and skiffs were also great at what they were doing, Covetors and Hulks **** at their thing, and the only thing you could think of was to buff the first and nerf the later?
Ewersmen
Perkone
Caldari State
#97 - 2014-04-01 21:06:27 UTC
Cry You screw'd all the mining ships and now you are having another crack at them ...........this from the people who give you the pi ship the epithal that cant hold a comand center.

Thought this was a sanbox

Not you will fly them the way we want .
Louis Robichaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2014-04-01 21:12:55 UTC
Fozzie mentioned previously that mining statistics indicated that the proc/skiff were underused.

The removal of a mid slot is a significant nerf to the procurer tank, I am surprised that thins was not explained in the post...

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Dave Stark
#99 - 2014-04-01 21:13:33 UTC
Louis Robichaud wrote:
Fozzie mentioned previously that mining statistics indicated that the proc/skiff were underused.

The removal of a mid slot is a significant nerf to the procurer tank, I am surprised that thins was not explained in the post...


it was very soon after the barge changes, and before people made a full time activity out of ganking miners.
Maennas Vaer
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#100 - 2014-04-01 21:22:55 UTC
If the Hulk/Covetor are getting optimal range bonuses, please, please, PLEASE fix the gimped range on the survey scanner!