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Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#61 - 2014-03-11 10:48:57 UTC
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.)


Bellicose is a horrible ship. It was before the RLML nerf, and its even more **** now. Best anti-frig cruiser is the Nomen, Nosprey, Scythe Fleet. Bellicose is basically just a watered down of the last two.

All faction cruisers..... Not a level comparison.


I am comparing ships that can easily kill light tackle. i don't care if they cost 60mil or 10mil for the hull. Its pennies, and I am looking for effectiveness. Touting that 'my ship costs less' to somehow explain how sub par the bellicose is- really doesn't cut it.

Unfortunately for you, cost matters when considering what ship to use. Obviously navy faction ships are better. If one cant afford 60 million for a dedicated anticeptor cruiser, they will want a suitable standard hull for the job. As to the Bellicose being bad or sub par..no. The unfortunate fact is that too many people do not understamd signature radius.


If we are seriously splitting hairs over 60mil hulls... heheeh had no idea that people were still that poor. Even if that is the case- caracal would still be a better hull than the bellicose. Caracal has more DPS, and most importantly more projection than the bellicose. The velocity bonus on the hull allows for a somewhat easier use of precision missiles, which actually can apply a scary amount of DPS to frigs (Provided you can hit them with your 35K ish range. Sadly the bellicose has no such bonus, and is stuck with a useless TP bonus against intys.

The current missile algorithm, in regards to intys leads to webs being FAR more effective, than trying to use a target painter to boost their already small sig. Intys are just moving so fast, that using CN light missiles are just not going to cut it most of the time. Sadly, the bellicose is even more crippled than the caracal when you switch to precision lights, because with out that range bonus you are basically hoping for the intys to ram you.

A 3 BCS light missile bellicose does a whopping 90 DPS with precision missiles. Compared to the caracal which is doing close to 150. Please stop talking out of your depth, and go back to blobbing **** barle.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2014-03-11 16:35:48 UTC
Chessur wrote:
If we are seriously splitting hairs over 60mil hulls... heheeh had no idea that people were still that poor.
I'm guessing you PLEX your account with ISK. Many people do. Obviously, there are plenty more who buy the PLEX with real money and exchange it in-game for ISK.

You'll know when the game runs out of people poor by your standards. PLEX will be difficult for you to obtain through ISK. Until then, expect plebians.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Ione Hunt
Storm Solutions
#63 - 2014-03-17 22:03:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Ione Hunt
Cynabal with 720s and 2 gyros & 2 tracking enhancers Pirate

If they try to burn for you, simply overheat your MWD and burn the other direction. Often they panic after the first hit and if you have 30km point, it's probably too late for them to escape before the 2nd salvo hits (or 3rd salvo if necessary).

Ishtar works great too.

Or you could just become really good at flying inties yourself and beat them at their own game.

Last thing that only really works against dumb inty gangs is a dual injector dual repper domi. Let your shields/armor drop down to structure and watch those greedy buggers fly in closer in anticipation of your can. That's your queue to set of those smarties. Fit the domi cheaply, it doesn't work all the time Twisted
Ione Hunt
Storm Solutions
#64 - 2014-03-17 22:04:49 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Chessur wrote:
If we are seriously splitting hairs over 60mil hulls... heheeh had no idea that people were still that poor.
I'm guessing you PLEX your account with ISK. Many people do. Obviously, there are plenty more who buy the PLEX with real money and exchange it in-game for ISK.

You'll know when the game runs out of people poor by your standards. PLEX will be difficult for you to obtain through ISK. Until then, expect plebians.


It's ridiculously easy to make enough ISK to afford faction hulls...look into trading.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2014-03-17 22:53:14 UTC
Ione Hunt wrote:
ridiculously easy
relative term. Fact is, the market isn't big enough for everyone to make a living through trading, and it never will be. Money from trading doesn't come out of thin air. Here's a fact that is, has always been, and always will be true in absolutely all market scenarios: if you make a significant income through merchandising, your trade work is above the market average.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#66 - 2014-03-18 01:29:09 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Ione Hunt wrote:
ridiculously easy
relative term. Fact is, the market isn't big enough for everyone to make a living through trading, and it never will be. Money from trading doesn't come out of thin air. Here's a fact that is, has always been, and always will be true in absolutely all market scenarios: if you make a significant income through merchandising, your trade work is above the market average.


I'm sorry to tell you this, but with the way the market is in this game, the only thing keeping you from profiting while trading, is you. Sure, you might not be able to roll into Jita 4-4 and become a market baron immediately, but there are other places to trade, and to live. There are mini hubs throughout the game, and plenty of places to make money trading.

So I'm telling you that the opportunities are there, people are just too lazy to do it themselves. Can literally each and every player make a killing off the market? No. But does 1% of the population of this game actually work at it? You betcha, probably less than that, in fact.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2014-03-18 01:43:12 UTC
I'll agree that there is room for more people working the market. Probably a lot of room, considering all the things people want to buy locally but have to travel to a trade hub to get. It's still a lot of tedium trying to make money through merchandising though. I've spent many hours at it and came up with little to show for it. It would probably be easier if I had more money to start with.

But there are always alternate reasons why people fail at something. It can be easy for some and not for others.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#68 - 2014-03-18 02:18:42 UTC
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Ione Hunt
Storm Solutions
#69 - 2014-03-23 00:30:33 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Ione Hunt wrote:
ridiculously easy
relative term. Fact is, the market isn't big enough for everyone to make a living through trading, and it never will be. Money from trading doesn't come out of thin air. Here's a fact that is, has always been, and always will be true in absolutely all market scenarios: if you make a significant income through merchandising, your trade work is above the market average.


You simply have to constantly adapt...as when trading in real life. Compounding is a beautiful thing Blink
Ione Hunt
Storm Solutions
#70 - 2014-03-31 18:28:38 UTC
Forgot to mention: Daredevil with 150mm and a faction web Twisted
Weed Guy
Space Kush Dispensary
#71 - 2014-04-01 03:34:01 UTC
You will never defeat the almighty interceptor! Bwhahaha! Evil give up now!
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#72 - 2014-04-01 12:33:38 UTC
I PRESENT TO YOU THE BRAND NEW

CARACAL

ALSO NEWLY ADDED IS THE HURRICANE IN BOTH THE AC/NEUT OR INSTA ARTY VARIANTS.

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Ione Hunt
Storm Solutions
#73 - 2014-04-01 18:54:37 UTC
Luwc wrote:
I PRESENT TO YOU THE BRAND NEW

CARACAL

ALSO NEWLY ADDED IS THE HURRICANE IN BOTH THE AC/NEUT OR INSTA ARTY VARIANTS.


Not a huge fan of the arty hurricane. If you miss and don't take them down fast, you're easy pray as you can't dictate range.

Granted, it's a lot more expensive, but a Cynabal is the much better option if you want 720s.

Hate having to warp out after only 1-2 salvos.
Skelee VI
Appetite 4 Destruction
#74 - 2014-04-29 13:49:07 UTC
You may think it a bit bit crazy but you can kill inties in a crucifier! When you damp them they have to get closer :)