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corebloodbrothers
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#361 - 2014-03-23 20:02:53 UTC
Cavalira wrote:
Oh, but you have never corrected your typos.
You'll probably win because of your blocks votes, but certainly not because of your 'campaign'.

What's your view on the warp speed changes?



i think they better reflect reality and give use of different shiptypes more use in tactics. However i dont feel my view on a single part of eve is important, as CSM is a team effort. not a contest or debate who is right or wrong.
corebloodbrothers
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#362 - 2014-03-24 11:39:18 UTC
And application is in, now awaiting confirmation, excited and bit nervous, thanks for support so far from alot of people, out and inside providence.
June Ting
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#363 - 2014-03-24 12:52:53 UTC
corebloodbrothers wrote:
i think they better reflect reality and give use of different shiptypes more use in tactics. However i dont feel my view on a single part of eve is important, as CSM is a team effort. not a contest or debate who is right or wrong.

Yes, but what do you bring to the team? The CSM doesn't work when the people on it don't have opinions of their own to start the discussion. Your viewpoint is absolutely important -- you can't just defer to other CSM members or to CCP every time any time a substantive question is asked.

I fight for the freedom of my people.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#364 - 2014-03-24 13:28:20 UTC  |  Edited by: mynnna
Well, technically speaking a CSM member CAN do that, but they shouldn't be surprised when the rest of the council as well as CCP suddenly become very interested in absolutely nothing they have to say if they DO try to voice their own opinion for once, nor be surprised to find themselves reviled as useless in public.

Which leads into a way that I need to elaborate.
corebloodbrothers wrote:

i think they better reflect reality and give use of different shiptypes more use in tactics. However i dont feel my view on a single part of eve is important, as CSM is a team effort. not a contest or debate who is right or wrong.

Often (or more) as not, we've all got opinions that run the gamut from "variations of each other" to "polar opposites" and, particularly if consensus is reached, reaching it after having pitted them against each other only strengthens the final outcome by exposing holes and issues previously unseen. So, yes, it's frequently a contest or debate, and your views are absolutely important, which means you need to have them - there's little value in consensus reached by just +1ing someone else's opinion or idea.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
corebloodbrothers
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#365 - 2014-03-25 10:31:59 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Well, technically speaking a CSM member CAN do that, but they shouldn't be surprised when the rest of the council as well as CCP suddenly become very interested in absolutely nothing they have to say if they DO try to voice their own opinion for once, nor be surprised to find themselves reviled as useless in public.

Which leads into a way that I need to elaborate.
corebloodbrothers wrote:

i think they better reflect reality and give use of different shiptypes more use in tactics. However i dont feel my view on a single part of eve is important, as CSM is a team effort. not a contest or debate who is right or wrong.

Often (or more) as not, we've all got opinions that run the gamut from "variations of each other" to "polar opposites" and, particularly if consensus is reached, reaching it after having pitted them against each other only strengthens the final outcome by exposing holes and issues previously unseen. So, yes, it's frequently a contest or debate, and your views are absolutely important, which means you need to have them - there's little value in consensus reached by just +1ing someone else's opinion or idea.



Yes seems to Be in line with rl, its more that if 14 people will push their own agenda and tie their feeling of succes into achieving that , that will tend to become a energy drain, u debate on the edge, but the end result will never be a full fullfillment of 14 agendas. Trebor told me last year it is sometimes the least rewarding job, as public opinion will be at best mixed, and feeling of Achievement needs to come from intrinsic motivation.

Thnx for the reply, gives good insight
Cavalira
Habemus
#366 - 2014-03-25 13:14:36 UTC
corebloodbrothers wrote:
CSM is a team effort. not a contest or debate who is right or wrong.


That has to be among the dumbest things I've heard this year. Do you think the same about politics?
Rebel Witch
Zero Reps Given
Pandemic Horde
#367 - 2014-03-25 15:17:56 UTC
core will win this, Deus Vult!!!
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#368 - 2014-03-26 02:33:18 UTC
corebloodbrothers wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Well, technically speaking a CSM member CAN do that, but they shouldn't be surprised when the rest of the council as well as CCP suddenly become very interested in absolutely nothing they have to say if they DO try to voice their own opinion for once, nor be surprised to find themselves reviled as useless in public.

Which leads into a way that I need to elaborate.
corebloodbrothers wrote:

i think they better reflect reality and give use of different shiptypes more use in tactics. However i dont feel my view on a single part of eve is important, as CSM is a team effort. not a contest or debate who is right or wrong.

Often (or more) as not, we've all got opinions that run the gamut from "variations of each other" to "polar opposites" and, particularly if consensus is reached, reaching it after having pitted them against each other only strengthens the final outcome by exposing holes and issues previously unseen. So, yes, it's frequently a contest or debate, and your views are absolutely important, which means you need to have them - there's little value in consensus reached by just +1ing someone else's opinion or idea.



Yes seems to Be in line with rl, its more that if 14 people will push their own agenda and tie their feeling of succes into achieving that , that will tend to become a energy drain, u debate on the edge, but the end result will never be a full fullfillment of 14 agendas. Trebor told me last year it is sometimes the least rewarding job, as public opinion will be at best mixed, and feeling of Achievement needs to come from intrinsic motivation.

Thnx for the reply, gives good insight


...so because you might not get everything you want you're not going to try in the first place?

If I'm understanding you correctly and this is what you're actually saying, why are you running for CSM at all?

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
corebloodbrothers
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#369 - 2014-03-27 12:07:27 UTC
mynnna wrote:
corebloodbrothers wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Well, technically speaking a CSM member CAN do that, but they shouldn't be surprised when the rest of the council as well as CCP suddenly become very interested in absolutely nothing they have to say if they DO try to voice their own opinion for once, nor be surprised to find themselves reviled as useless in public.

Which leads into a way that I need to elaborate.
corebloodbrothers wrote:

i think they better reflect reality and give use of different shiptypes more use in tactics. However i dont feel my view on a single part of eve is important, as CSM is a team effort. not a contest or debate who is right or wrong.

Often (or more) as not, we've all got opinions that run the gamut from "variations of each other" to "polar opposites" and, particularly if consensus is reached, reaching it after having pitted them against each other only strengthens the final outcome by exposing holes and issues previously unseen. So, yes, it's frequently a contest or debate, and your views are absolutely important, which means you need to have them - there's little value in consensus reached by just +1ing someone else's opinion or idea.



Yes seems to Be in line with rl, its more that if 14 people will push their own agenda and tie their feeling of succes into achieving that , that will tend to become a energy drain, u debate on the edge, but the end result will never be a full fullfillment of 14 agendas. Trebor told me last year it is sometimes the least rewarding job, as public opinion will be at best mixed, and feeling of Achievement needs to come from intrinsic motivation.

Thnx for the reply, gives good insight


...so because you might not get everything you want you're not going to try in the first place?

If I'm understanding you correctly and this is what you're actually saying, why are you running for CSM at all?


I am saying that if your feeling of succes depends on achieving your individual goals and all promises u made and ideas u have, with 14 poeple and a compagny limited in resources and tech then that might be somethign that could burn you out. Its a rl issue u see in compagnies as well, i am not saying u should not TRY to achieve it, and push for what u believe. As its what u believe is what motivates you, its my personal belief that not only outcome but also proces can be satisfying. Even if that can mean bitter disapointment , your drive should come from inside so that u ready to pick stuff up afehr that disapointment and focus again. In rl i see people turn bitter and starting to say, no and , see i told u, which is a attitude that is destructive for any change. So i dont agree with your understanding, i hope i explained it better now, how i see individual targets and motivation.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#370 - 2014-03-27 13:16:01 UTC
Well, I think you've misunderstood my understanding if you think actually accomplishing *things* is the sole metric by which I judge success, but you have clarified your position a bit, yes.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#371 - 2014-03-27 13:36:09 UTC
corebloodbrothers wrote:
Yes seems to Be in line with rl, its more that if 14 people will push their own agenda and tie their feeling of succes into achieving that [...]

corebloodbrothers wrote:
Its a rl issue u see in compagnies as well [...] In rl i see people turn bitter and starting to say [...]

Could you define "rl" for me? Is the CSM not "rl"?
Are these candidate debates we are having not real?
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#372 - 2014-03-27 18:35:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Two step
I'm confused by this whole thread. Firstly, you apparently don't have time to write a new post, yet you think you will have time to do all the work one would have to do on the CSM?

Secondly, you appear to think the election is decided by the number of your alliancemates who post meaningless "+1" posts in your thread. Do you perhaps think that sort of mindless agreement might turn off non-provibloc voters? I think you didn't actually understand why Ali Aras got elected last time, it wasn't pure Provibloc voters, it was because she actually ran a campaign and tried to appeal to people outside her natural voting block.

Thirdly, You have the crazy ideas on this page about not needing to tell potential voters about how you personally feel on various issues. While the CSM are not game designers, what the kind current CSM members are trying to tell you here is that they do have a lot of input into game design decisions, and they need to have opinions of their own.

Fourthly, you don't seem to be doing a great job of being a clear communicator. Can your voters expect posts full of "u" instead of "you", and lowercase i's when you are posting on the internal CSM-only forums? Do you think CCP will value that sort of communication as highly as someone who uses actual words and capital letters?

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
Jack Ripper Maranello
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#373 - 2014-03-28 17:32:09 UTC
Well im no expert yet i claim to be, i have not met anyone in EVE as corebloodbrothers, there are many mmo's out there but none that ive played with the WIDE platform that EVE has to offer. There is though that Evolution that happens in the Gaming world that, expects more and more everyday, not 1 succesful game has made it to where it is without its players, we are the core(Big smile) to any game really.

So i vouch for corebloodbrothers in the fullest as his passion is astounding, his gameplay skills of the best ive seen,his mission in life to teach others and at no expense to have fun.

I have given my vote already, and i would give it again if it'll help, i do not appreciate the negative comments to his copy and paste from last years run, because if thats ur passion and u type something new the next year then ur just apply'ing for the TITLE and not the ROLE to serve EVE's plilots.

o7 \o/
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#374 - 2014-03-28 18:06:45 UTC
Jack Ripper Maranello wrote:

I have given my vote already, and i would give it again if it'll help, i do not appreciate the negative comments to his copy and paste from last years run, because if thats ur passion and u type something new the next year then ur just apply'ing for the TITLE and not the ROLE to serve EVE's plilots.


So are you saying it is better that he copied last year's post? I am confused. It seems to me that given all the work involved in the "ROLE" of being a CSM delegate, a person that couldn't find the time or effort to craft a new statement given that he *lost* last time is really just interested in the "TITLE" of CSM, but might not be willing to put in the work.

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
Cavalira
Habemus
#375 - 2014-03-28 20:13:30 UTC
What?!

I guess everyone who puts in effort, is only doing it for the title.
Revanant Joufu
The Grey Eagles
#376 - 2014-03-29 17:37:54 UTC
+1 for core
SeneschaI
Ordo Arcana
Salvation Security Group
#377 - 2014-03-30 06:53:01 UTC
When will you be doing an interview with Cap Stable?
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#378 - 2014-04-01 13:00:39 UTC
SeneschaI wrote:
When will you be doing an interview with Cap Stable?


When will you (corebloodbrothers) be replying to this thread as well? It has been days since your last reply. Can your potential constituents expect this level of responsiveness if you were elected?

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
June Ting
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#379 - 2014-04-01 16:25:19 UTC  |  Edited by: June Ting
I think it's clear Core believes Provibloc will elect him without the contribution of any outside support and without any need on his part to be accountable or work to articulate any kind of platform.

He'll probably get 1000-1200 votes at best that way. Whether that's enough this year, I don't know. Last year it wouldn't have worked.

I fight for the freedom of my people.
Cavalira
Habemus
#380 - 2014-04-01 17:20:01 UTC
June Ting wrote:
I think it's clear Core believes Provibloc will elect him without the contribution of any outside support and without any need on his part to be accountable or work to articulate any kind of platform.

He'll probably get 1000-1200 votes at best that way. Whether that's enough this year, I don't know. Last year it wouldn't have worked.


I guess most of the provibloc that actually votes for him, haven't read this thread, and have no idea of how bad this candidate is.