EVE General Discussion

I like your system. It will save a lot of money on judges paychecks.
We are going to put an automated machine for judging and sentecing. You will input the data you have on the crime and the machine will decide guilty or not guilty. Then just print the same sentence for all.
Hek, we could use 12 machines, each will give slightly preferred value for different aspects, and make the machines vote until they agree on 1 answer. Then just sentence - thats the easy part...

Ahah! So the Griefer Grandiose, the Harvester of Tears and Scammer Extraordinaire has had grief inflicted upon him in equal measure! And by CCP themselves, no less. I cannot tell a lie, such news bring joy to my heart.


Seriously, moralities aside, anyone with their mental faculties in order could have foreseen, that if you take your griefing activities outside of the scope of the game and publish it on the interwebz, you are doing a bad PR for the company. No surprise to me he found himself spiraling down the drain sooner than later. Let us now flush and move on with our internet spaceships.

And good riddance! I wholeheartedly approve of CCP's stand outlined in the announcement.

Might be too early for me but to fully grasp what I just read, but a video game? It ain't real either.

Mr Epeen

I hope you won't get that chance but surely you agree that honestly regretting a mistake beats being stuck up and act like you did nothing wrong. It means you learned something. Also greed is not a punishable treat, in fact our modern economical pattern/system is based on it (sad truth in my opinion but ...).
But let's agree to disagree. You say that both parties are equally to blame hence they should receive equal punishment. I don't agree with that as I think being a douche-bag on purpose is worse then being an irrational fool. Fools may learn, douche-bags will refuse too.
Fly dangerous and have fun.
Over and out.

And to give a free pass to racial slurs and threats of real-life violence and murder so long as it's because the other guy pissed you off.

Oh, it's that simple? I'd bet money that, were Sokhar to go on trial for the criminal offense (at least where I live) of assault by way of threatening physical violence, and he used that excuse ("he tormented me until I lost control") the judge or prosecutor would ask the simple question, "why didn't you just leave when you began to feel that you were losing control?"

You guys need to grow up and learn the concept of personal responsibility. Sokhar not only violated the TOS, he commited what is considered a criminal offense in many places.



All it demonstrates to me is that it's ok to violate the TOS as long as your victim is unpopular.



Cuz we all know now that CCP is indeed extending their juris diction to our private comms, now. That's the OTHER big issue in this whole fiasco.

That's not a straw man, that's common freaking sense.

If greedy idiots knew that falling for a scam would result in a temp/perma ban from the game, they'd think long and hard before contracting over everything they own to a total stranger and then raging about it with less self-control than a three year old.

Your in box was being "spammed" with those letters. How many makes "spam"? and you wrote one? Sounds like you were part of the problem.

The fact is that Erotica1 made the recordings of the incident. Erotica1 then published these recordings. Erotica1 identified himself as the person in the recordings and claimed responsibility for the acts. This makes it very simple for CCP to conclude that the player behind the EVE character Erotica1 is the same person who was portrayed in the recording as Erotica1. This makes a very unique case in which CCP can use "third party evidence" to rule against an EVE player, as that player has freely and publicly admitted that the evidence is correct.

Sohkar has done no such thing; he didn't make the recording, or publicize it, or confirm his identity. CCP essentially only has Erotica1's word that the EVE character Sohkar is the same as the person portrayed in the recording. Since the third party evidence is unverifiable, CCP can take no action against Sohkar based on this recording alone.

Basically, it comes down to a case of Erotica1 convicting himself by publicly offering a recorded confession, and then through avenues which CCP could use to verify (official forums, etc.), confirmed his own identity. If Sohkar were to do the same, he may very well face consequences*.

CCP has never categorically stated that they won't respond to thrid party evidence, only that they are not responsible for what happens out of the game/official website. That does not restrict them from taking action based on third-party information if they conclude that it is in the best interest of the game. You are correct that historically, they have not accepted third-party evidence as motivation to take action against a specific player. However, you have to consider that in past cases, it has nearly (if not completely) always been the accuser presenting thrid party evidence against a perpetrator. In such a case, CCP cannot positively identify that the perpetrator is in fact the EVE persona that the accuser claims; it could easily be a fabricated hoax designed to get another player in trouble when they had doen nothing wrong. This is why CCP has largely avoided thrid-party evidence, as there is generally doubt as to its accuracy. Again, the case of Erotica1 is unique because in this case, the perpetrator himself provided the evidence and admitted to being the person involved. In this case, CCP is perfectly justified in taking Erotica! at his word that hes is the person in the evidence, and then taking action based on that evidence.

The moral of the story is that if you're going to do something questionable in a third-party venue, don't document it, and defintiely don't publish it, and most definitely don't claim responsibility for it! It reminds me of a time I saw a military officer addressing a room of young cadets (many of whom had recently reached the legal drinking age), counseling them on how doing stupid things while drunk could potentially affect their military career. His advice was basically that if you're going to go out and party, fine, go, have fun! But absolutely do not take pictures! If somehow pictures are taken, then be sure to destroy them immediately, as they always have a way of turning up later (and this was in the days long before Facebook or even MySpace).

CCP's actions in this case so far are perfectly within their track record of dealing with harassment; that being that when there is sufficient and verifiable evidence of what they consider to be harassment, they will take action. If you disagree with their decisions, you really have three courses of action available to you:

1. Live with it and get on with the game
2. Quit the game
3. Petition CCP with your disagreement (and then return to either 1. or 2.)

On a side note, you can stop making statements about "freedom of speech." You have no right to freedom of speech in this, a privately owned forum. Your ability to speak goes only so far as CCP allows you to continue. If you really think you have some sort of actual freedom of speech, I woudl challenge you to put it to the test and see what happens when you go beyond the rules CCP has laid down.

*On the other hand, CCP has repeatedly stated that they deal with each of these issues on a case-by-case basis, and in this particular case they may very well give Sohkar a pass, if they conclude that his resposne was provoked and as such excusable (I'm not claiming that it is, just offering this as one hypothetical explanation). If this is the case, then even were Sohkar to positively identify himself in the recordings, he may not face repurcussions, or perhaps reduced repurcussions, for his actions. Again, that is all up to CCP to decide.

ur dum u no

Mr Epeen