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Ryann Padecain
Doomheim
#21 - 2014-04-01 12:26:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryann Padecain
It's a difficult line to cross when META gaming is such a big part of EVE, you can't deny this.

All I'm saying is, surely we can find deep in our hearts somewhere to forgive Erotica 1, like said in the OP I truly believe that Erotica 1 would stop the bonus room if CCP requested that to be done, and perhaps even take it down a notch in general.

I hate to create the 10000's thread regarding this, but hey I think he should be allowed to play the game, just like you and me, after all we're all going to disagree with each other but IMO that doesn't mean we should put the banhammer down so quickly, what ever happened to a gentle conversation (out-of-character)? Smile


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I'm just trying to have some faith here..
Ryann Padecain
Doomheim
#22 - 2014-04-01 12:38:45 UTC
Okay angry Timmy Sprinkles, I appreciate what you've said and noted, now I would appreciate it even more if you could leave some space for others to put down their thoughts regarding the subject, 'yes Erotica 1 is wrong but are we really so bitter that we can't allow the poor guy to play again? Without warning?'.

Keep the trolling in your own hypocrite thread that would be great, you've voiced your opinion now. Smile
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#23 - 2014-04-01 12:43:23 UTC
This is EVE... not "barstool psych 101"... take it elsewhere. Evil

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#24 - 2014-04-01 12:49:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
While I agree that what Erotica did was pretty distasteful, it's nothing that hasn't been done before and found to be acceptable, where he went over the top was combining all of those acceptable things into one unacceptable thing.

I'm neither here nor there on the ban, because bans are pitifully easy to circumvent, if Erotica wants to play Eve again all he needs is a different email address and possible a new credit/debit card.

Reality checkwise, CCP decide where the line is drawn, not us, although they do consider what we say when drawing it.

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Yim Sei
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#25 - 2014-04-01 13:01:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Yim Sei
I find it interesting that the followers and proponent of Mr Tegs 'opinion' seem to be far more vocally abusive and insulting than the ones asking for leniency for Erotica.

Looks like both parties should be congratulated on showing just how low the bar now is in the Eve community when it comes down to Intelligence, respect and maturity.

For the first time in 7 years I am embarrassed to be part of a community which has allowed:

1. To get so emotionally involved in the loss of magic space money.

2. to allow a wormy Politician like Ripard Teg to pass off such a witchhunt

3. CCP for being played by 'the Jester'

4. Everyone for allowing the Meta game to rule and actually get someone banned.

5. Everyone again for not being clever enough to take out grievances IN GAME rather than running to blogs and forums.

Its all pretty pathetic tbh.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
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#26 - 2014-04-01 13:04:55 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:
I find it interesting that the followers and proponent of Mr Tegs 'opinion' seem to be far more vocally abusive and insulting than the ones asking for leniency for Erotica.

Looks like both parties should be congratulated on showing just how low the bar now is in the Eve community when it comes down to Intelligence, respect and maturity.

For the first time in 7 years I am embarrassed to be part of a community which has allowed:

1. To get so emotionally involved in the loss of magic space money.

2. to allow a wormy Politician like Ripard Teg to pass off such a witchhunt

3. CCP for being played by 'the Jester'

4. Everyone for allowing the Meta game to rule and actually get someone banned.

5. Everyone again for not being clever enough to take out grievances IN GAME rather than running to blogs and forums.

Its all pretty pathetic tbh.


All of this.

+25 to you Sir

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Ryann Padecain
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-04-01 13:06:46 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:
I find it interesting that the followers and proponent of Mr Tegs 'opinion' seem to be far more vocally abusive and insulting than the ones asking for leniency for Erotica.

Looks like both parties should be congratulated on showing just how low the bar now is in the Eve community when it comes down to Intelligence, respect and maturity.

For the first time in 7 years I am embarrassed to be part of a community which has allowed:

1. To get so emotionally involved in the loss of magic space money.

2. to allow a wormy Politician like Ripard Teg to pass off such a witchhunt

3. CCP for being played by 'the Jester'

4. Everyone for allowing the Meta game to rule and actually get someone banned.

5. Everyone again for not being clever enough to take out grievances IN GAME rather than running to blogs and forums.

Its all pretty pathetic tbh.

I agree with you even though im part of your patheticsness +1
Salvos Rhoska
#28 - 2014-04-01 13:10:27 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:
I find it interesting that the followers and proponent of Mr Tegs 'opinion' seem to be far more vocally abusive and insulting than the ones asking for leniency for Erotica.


Lul. Implying those aren't alts set to discredit the opposition from within.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#29 - 2014-04-01 13:13:35 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Yim Sei wrote:
I find it interesting that the followers and proponent of Mr Tegs 'opinion' seem to be far more vocally abusive and insulting than the ones asking for leniency for Erotica.


Lul. Implying those aren't alts set to discredit the opposition from within.


How's the law degree coming along?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#30 - 2014-04-01 13:14:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Yim Sei wrote:
I find it interesting that the followers and proponent of Mr Tegs 'opinion' seem to be far more vocally abusive and insulting than the ones asking for leniency for Erotica.


Lul. Implying those aren't alts set to discredit the opposition from within.

Did you just out yourself? You're one of the people he's talking about, you're nothing more than a shill for Ripards anti everything agenda.

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Antihrist Pripravnik
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#31 - 2014-04-01 13:15:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Let's be fair... the thread that you wanted to post to is here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=332912&find=unread

Edit: I don't even understand why these threads are still appearing. If you have anything important to say or to contribute to the subject, you'll do that more effectively in a dedicated thread than in a separate one that can and will be buried in GD.
Salvos Rhoska
#32 - 2014-04-01 13:17:01 UTC
Obvious tactic.

If you can't beat the smarter and more competent opponents, you create your own puppet opponent with an alt, that you can then "beat" for +1 points as well as say stupid things on to discredit opposition with by generalisation.

I've told you before, all you Erotica1 associates really aren't very smart or good at any of this :)

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Bloodmyst Ranwar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-04-01 13:20:34 UTC
The Amazing Race Season 54.

**switches channel**

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-_-
Salvos Rhoska
#34 - 2014-04-01 13:23:28 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
Let's be fair... the thread that you wanted to post to is here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=332912&find=unread

Edit: I don't even understand why these threads are still appearing. If you have anything important to say or to contribute to the subject, you'll do that more effectively in a dedicated thread than in a separate one that can and will be buried in GD.


A few individuals are trying to create the impression of a false groundswell of popular opinion, when infact its just the same butthurt guys as in the original threadnaught throwing all the alts they have at this :)

They are hoping atleast one thread will "stick", or prompt a reaction from someone that legitimises their baseless and false premises.

Its all rather transparent and amateurish.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#35 - 2014-04-01 13:26:28 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
A few individuals are trying to create the impression of a false groundswell of popular opinion, when infact its just the same butthurt guys as in the original threadnaught throwing all the alts they have at this :)
Like the ones involved in the recent witch hunt?

Quote:
They are hoping at least one thread will "stick", or prompt a reaction from someone that legitimises their baseless and false premises.

Its all rather transparent and amateurish.
Sounds like something that Ripard Teg did recently, something you wholeheartedly supported.

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E-2C Hawkeye
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#36 - 2014-04-01 13:27:03 UTC
Ryann Padecain wrote:
Can we turn this around as a community?

What I feel is fair to say:

  • Sokhor does not feel like a victim (come on, let's not go so far to say this is a stockholm syndrome.. seriously)
  • The bonus room has been going on for quite awhile before this event.
  • Without the attention it has gotten, CCP wouldn't have to fear for bad press and take extreme action.
  • Erotica 1 may of gone too far this time.


Scamming spying and all the dirty things are a part of EVE, carebear or not I think we can all agree on that. These things all take part of the meta game as much as they do in the actual game. I feel that if Erotica 1 was actually warned by CCP and/or asked to stop, he would of gladly done so if they felt it was truly bad for the game.

However much you hate Erotica 1 or feel what a sadistic person he is, we all know he is playing the scammer character to some extend and to be honest he represents that part of community fairly well, he is one of the bigger names who represent that side and it would be a little sad to see that go, we all know there is some roleplaying element here.

I don't actually know if Erotica 1's ban is permanent, but surely we can give the guy another chance, and not let the darker side of EVE's community die?

Lets be REAL....The guy crossed the line he was awarded his punishment and nothing we can do about it but LEARN from his mistake.

It's just that simple.
Salvos Rhoska
#37 - 2014-04-01 13:29:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
like the ones involved in the recent witch hunt?


What witchhunt?

OOOOH you mean the recent events where CSM confirmed Erotica1 was given due process, and CCP issued a statement with their support?

No witch-hunt there,broski.

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Sounds like something that Ripard Teg did recently, something you wholeheartedly supported.


Oh, you mean the blog that detailed what Erotica1 had been up to, and which culminated in what I stated above?
Ripard Teg isn't responsible for Erotica1's actions :)

Man. You are TERRIBLE at this.
Also, the frightened look on your avatar pretty much sucks all your huff-and-puff out of your posts :)

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#38 - 2014-04-01 13:29:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Lets be REAL....The guy crossed the line he was awarded his punishment and nothing we can do about it but LEARN from his mistake.

It's just that simple.
It's not often that you and I are on the same page; +1 sir for a surprisingly decent post.

Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
like the ones involved in the recent witch hunt?


What witchhunt?

OOOOH you mean the recent events where CSM confirmed Erotica1 was given due process, and CCP issued a statement with their support?

No witch-hunt there,broski.
I'm not disputing the CSM statement or CCPs decision, what I am saying is that the threadnaught in question was a populist witch hunt, one instigated by a, soon to be former, CSM who seems to have an anti-risk agenda for Eve

Quote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Sounds like something that Ripard Teg did recently, something you wholeheartedly supported.


Oh, you mean the blog that detailed what Erotica1 had been up to, and which culminated in what I stated above?

Man. You are TERRIBLE at this.
Also, the frightened look on your avatar pretty much sucks all your huff-and-puff out of your posts :)

That's not fright, it's disgust at the level some people will stoop to to further their own agenda.

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Bloodmyst Ranwar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-04-01 13:31:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodmyst Ranwar
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
A few individuals are trying to create the impression of a false groundswell of popular opinion, when infact its just the same butthurt guys as in the original threadnaught throwing all the alts they have at this :)
Like the ones involved in the recent witch hunt?

Quote:
They are hoping at least one thread will "stick", or prompt a reaction from someone that legitimises their baseless and false premises.

Its all rather transparent and amateurish.
Sounds like something that Ripard Teg did recently, something you wholeheartedly supported.


The difference is there were many different people (from different backgrounds I might add of nullseccers, lowseccers and highsec carebears) who chimed in on the thread sharing their opinions about the subject. It was quiet apparent the majority was in favour of Erotica being banned and/or saying what he did was outright wrong.

Since the Official CCP announcement, it's now the same small group of people set on repeat posting, creating threads shedding tears.

P.S - Yes it is very amateurish and quiet obvious alts are actually being created just to post on the subject. It's quiet sad tbh, go out and enjoy the sunshine!
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#40 - 2014-04-01 13:35:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
A few individuals are trying to create the impression of a false groundswell of popular opinion, when infact its just the same butthurt guys as in the original threadnaught throwing all the alts they have at this :)
Like the ones involved in the recent witch hunt?

Quote:
They are hoping at least one thread will "stick", or prompt a reaction from someone that legitimises their baseless and false premises.

Its all rather transparent and amateurish.
Sounds like something that Ripard Teg did recently, something you wholeheartedly supported.


The difference is there were many different people (from different backgrounds I might add of nullseccers, lowseccers and highsec carebears) who chimed in on the thread sharing their opinions about the subject. It was quiet apparent the majority was in favour of Erotica being banned and/or saying what he did was outright wrong.

Since the Official CCP announcement, it's now the same small group of people set on repeat posting, creating threads shedding tears.
I was one of those saying that what Erotica did was distasteful, I wasn't defending him, I was defending the "right" to relieve the greedy, careless and stupid of their stuff.

What I was not is one of those that were calling for Eroticas head on a pointy stick, Salvos Rhoska was.

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