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Advice for a new player to WH
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Hachi Ironfist
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-04-01 10:19:20 UTC
Hello,

I've read a lot of topics about Wormholes and ventured into one at one point... but didn't do much.

I was wondering what ships are required to do the sites for C3s... I've been there with 2 Bcs at the moment. One Myrm and a Navy Hurricane, but we have troubles staying alive even if there are just cruisers. Could you post some fits/ tactics/advice on how to do these sites ? Do we need to bring out Domis and spider tank to be able to do them ?

Any advice is welcome,
Thanks,
Hachi
RcTamiya Leontis
Magister Mortalis.
#2 - 2014-04-01 10:37:41 UTC
Heyya,

first of all welcome to wspace :P

I recommend 2 sacris/zealots to run c3 sites, they are cheaper than any t3, have decent dps/tank and warp out fast enough ( in case of beeing ganked).
However i am not at home at the moment and don't have fits here but you can poke me ingame later today, if you want.

I asume you allready know about basic mechanics as for example having scoust at your wormhole, watch dscan/ watch scan for new sigs?
No battleships needed for c3, 2-3 smart fit drakes can run them, there are some spidertankfits out there you should take a look in, but it's not as efficient as 2-3 zealots/sacris.
If you feel confident try out laserlegions, but i woudln't take the risk if a HAC can do the same job.

regards
rc
Hachi Ironfist
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-04-01 10:46:38 UTC
Hmm you mention amarr/caldari races. Does Minmatar / Gallente have some decent ships for this ? (Not t3) Like battlecruisers ? If not... a t2 then ?

I do have some basic knowledge and now I am reading the Manual in the pinned section to get more. We plan to settle in one at some point, but not now... now is just probing the waters... to see how everything goes / profitability.
RcTamiya Leontis
Magister Mortalis.
#4 - 2014-04-01 10:55:24 UTC  |  Edited by: RcTamiya Leontis
Well i can offer you some kind of "briefing" for wspace later when i am at home ( in about ~ 4-5 hours), ingame or via TS3.

I dislike droneboats in wspace for PvE because sleepers kill drones more frequently when there's a low amount of players on grid, when you do the sites with more people, the chance of losing drones will decrease, it does work, but it's no as efficient as other ships, also dronetraveltimes etc.
Brutix might work with rails, it's tank will be able to manage c3 sites.

Winmatar have decent lokifits out there which can steamroll c3 as any other t3 can, hurricane fleet issues work too, but again a HAC is more efficient and vagabounds/munins ain't famous for their awesome PvE abilities ( it's possible and not that bad though).

My personal favourite are laserplatforms, their damageprojection is awesome, instant rangeswitch and infinite ammo with t1 crystals (for the lazy guys).

Marauders do great too, winmatar are king here for "suddenly pvp"-situations, but the risk is not worth it.

regards
rc
Hachi Ironfist
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-04-01 10:57:44 UTC
Thanks for the help! I will get home in like 4-5 hours as well >.> so we can talk in game more!

RcTamiya Leontis
Magister Mortalis.
#6 - 2014-04-01 11:05:23 UTC
You are welcome.
New pilots/corps is what wspace needs :P

By the way, there are some decent C2-> c3/hs out there you should prefer them over c3 if you want to farm c3 sites for money and still keep an entrance to high sec, but for staticfarming you should prefer doing c4 sites ( more worth but can't be done by 2 battlecruisers in any efficient time)
Rubishod
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-04-01 12:13:23 UTC
I find that any pair of BCs can handle a C3 - as long as they are shield tanked and you swap out two highs for remote reppers. Me and a buddy clear our local sites in a pair of blaster Nagas. One brings a TP, the other a Web, and the rest is tank and gank.

When I first went into a hole I had the PvE missionset mentality for clearing Sleepers, but that idea has to go out the window. It is a different fight, and one where working with a buddy together instead of in tandem is best. Sentry Domis work great, too, but again it is best to go in a pair working together.

Lastly, I know you know to work the triggers to not get overwhelmed, but also remember that some Sleepers are a lot easier to pop. Anything with Defender in the name is going to take more to kill, so to ease that initial incoming DPS target and blat the ships you know you can pop easily.
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#8 - 2014-04-01 12:46:29 UTC
evesurvival.com
- information about anomaly dps output
EFT
- tool to design your ships to have enough tank

this metagame will bring you a lot of fun finding out good and weird fits
Hachi Ironfist
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-04-01 13:06:10 UTC
Oska Rus wrote:
evesurvival.com
- information about anomaly dps output
EFT
- tool to design your ships to have enough tank

this metagame will bring you a lot of fun finding out good and weird fits



I do use both :) I was wondering fits that are good for c3s that you guys, the more experienced bunch, use.

Thanks Rubishod for the info!
Borsek
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2014-04-01 13:13:34 UTC
If you want some guidance and more buddies to fly with, I recommend you go and check out the shadows of penumbra corp, the CEO is a decent guy and will teach you the ropes of w-space... if not, go dive and go get podded a few times, just remember to analyze why you died, and what you could have done to avoid that. In WHs, pve is the least of your worries as a beginner :P
Rubishod
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-04-01 15:21:12 UTC
PvE is the least of your worries but it still is your primary / easiest source of income. Figuring out how to work your hole and clear Sleepers with speed and ease should be the first stepping stone.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#12 - 2014-04-01 15:52:57 UTC
Welcome to wormhole space. We like new people.

C2 and C3 anomalies can be run pretty easily in a few different cruiser and battlecruiser class ships.

Since you asked for Gal/Min first
Ishtars will be able to solo C2 sites. Possibly Deimos as well but never tried with one. Two RR shield Ishtars will be fine in C3 sites. Drop sentries and rep your buddy. Sleepers hate remote rep almost as much as ewar.
RR Myrms can also do it. Same principle.
Canes can easily handle C2 sites. I don't know if I would attempt in a Rupture or a Stabber but it might be possible (manual piloting practice if nothing else).


Obviously T3 offers many different ways to do this.

Have fun.
Dscan is your friend. Don't ignore her. Because then she won't be your friend.

I'm right behind you
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#13 - 2014-04-01 16:14:20 UTC
Hachi Ironfist wrote:
Hello,

I've read a lot of topics about Wormholes and ventured into one at one point... but didn't do much.

I was wondering what ships are required to do the sites for C3s... I've been there with 2 Bcs at the moment. One Myrm and a Navy Hurricane, but we have troubles staying alive even if there are just cruisers. Could you post some fits/ tactics/advice on how to do these sites ? Do we need to bring out Domis and spider tank to be able to do them ?

Any advice is welcome,
Thanks,
Hachi


You shouldn't need domis to do anything sub c4. If your going to use domis to do c4s you'll want at least three domis running 2 reppers each. Having either one of the domis or another ship as a drone bunney/painter/webber can speed things up considerably.

Surviving sleeper sites isn't really much harder then other pve, it just requires more tank/repping/dps.

The bigger learning cuirve is situational awareness to vet the system to check for active connections and hostiles. Learn d-scan, how WH connections work and go EOL. Telling the difference between a sig from downtime and a new sig after downtime is a good skill too.


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Zlorthishen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-04-01 16:58:14 UTC
always have a secondary and tertiary scan alt in the same wormhole as you live in
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#15 - 2014-04-01 20:00:12 UTC
Zlorthishen wrote:
always have a secondary and tertiary scan alt in the same wormhole as you live in


Or just have a probe launcher and depot in all of your ships?

Scan alts are so yesterday
Zlorthishen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-04-01 20:20:04 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Zlorthishen wrote:
always have a secondary and tertiary scan alt in the same wormhole as you live in


Or just have a probe launcher and depot in all of your ships?

Scan alts are so yesterday


until you get podded out.
RudinV
Sons Of Mother's Friend
Can i bring my Drake...
#17 - 2014-04-01 20:21:01 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Zlorthishen wrote:
always have a secondary and tertiary scan alt in the same wormhole as you live in


Or just have a probe launcher and depot in all of your ships?

Scan alts are so yesterday
looks like u r a bit far from pvp my dear friend. Scan alts for wspace are like good beer for a proper steak-perfect couple.
Karen Galeo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-04-03 05:10:14 UTC
Definitely some good advice in here. :D

One of my corp mates has a myrmidon with enough tank to handle C3 sites; it takes a little fiddling to get it up there though. Drakes are by far the easiest BC's to tank up to C3 levels, but others can get there. Hurricanes are nice, although a little thin on the tank - you may have to jump out of the sites if you take too much heat, and I'd stay away from the data and relic sites.

Basically, try to get 400 - 600 DPS tank on your cruiser/battle cruiser, and then go from there.

Author of the Karen 162 blog.
Hachi Ironfist
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-04-03 06:58:42 UTC
Karen Galeo wrote:
Definitely some good advice in here. :D

One of my corp mates has a myrmidon with enough tank to handle C3 sites; it takes a little fiddling to get it up there though. Drakes are by far the easiest BC's to tank up to C3 levels, but others can get there. Hurricanes are nice, although a little thin on the tank - you may have to jump out of the sites if you take too much heat, and I'd stay away from the data and relic sites.

Basically, try to get 400 - 600 DPS tank on your cruiser/battle cruiser, and then go from there.


Someone from this thread helped me make a Brutix fit ...and it has 78/71/71/80 resists and ~260 dps tank... in EFT. Is that good ? I am planning on testing it on sisi first, but I have to get my account activated there... >.>
RcTamiya Leontis
Magister Mortalis.
#20 - 2014-04-03 07:21:58 UTC
Hachi Ironfist wrote:
Karen Galeo wrote:
Definitely some good advice in here. :D

One of my corp mates has a myrmidon with enough tank to handle C3 sites; it takes a little fiddling to get it up there though. Drakes are by far the easiest BC's to tank up to C3 levels, but others can get there. Hurricanes are nice, although a little thin on the tank - you may have to jump out of the sites if you take too much heat, and I'd stay away from the data and relic sites.

Basically, try to get 400 - 600 DPS tank on your cruiser/battle cruiser, and then go from there.


Someone from this thread helped me make a Brutix fit ...and it has 78/71/71/80 resists and ~260 dps tank... in EFT. Is that good ? I am planning on testing it on sisi first, but I have to get my account activated there... >.>



As I said in Teamspeak, it's not that much as expected/needed but with 2 of them it might work and you should test it on sisi ;)

However his fit is:

Railguns

3 cap recharger
1 TP ( the 2nd has a web instead)

MAR II
2 EAMN II
DC II
RAH

2 Aux. nano pumps
1 CCC
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