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Marth Young
Young Knights LLC
#1 - 2014-03-31 22:40:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Marth Young
21yrOld Knight wrote:
Every once in a while i find a Pilot that says being a merc is easy. That it requires no skill or that any one can shoot a gun. When i see this i laugh. I mean you can do a lot but you can't do what i do. You can't dodge an enemy squad of 6 then kill them all. You can't square off against a heavy and win. I must say one thing's true you will GO 514 before your 2nd battle. I have my immortality not because i can be a fancy mail man, not because I can shoot lasers at rocks, and certainly not for being confined in a chair all day. I earn my immortality because i am a skilled killer, because i can commit acts of destruction with out thinking about it. I can run up to my enemy and brutality stab in the face after ripping his mask off. I can charge a point fearless killing my enemies not giving one thought about dying. I can personally kill someone not from space through a strike of some sorts, but face to face. I get to see my prey's face of terror when the crumple. So I must ask do you think that capsuleers can do our jobs.


Now this was posted by a clone mercenary from my alliance. What do other capsuleers think of this?
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#2 - 2014-03-31 22:51:23 UTC
I think he's stupid for bragging about killing people, whether it's face to face or from afar.

-Eran
DeadRow
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-03-31 23:00:12 UTC
I think he needs a couple implants to adjust that personality of his.

~Hikari
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#4 - 2014-03-31 23:05:43 UTC
I have no illusions about competing with a trooper, enhanced or not, in ground combat. Any pilot that says otherwise is either delusional or a very exceptional case. I certainly wouldn't term a soldiers life as easy.

That said I wasn't aware that powered armour gave much of a view of the opponent's face as per the rant quoted here. I was under the impression that the killing is almost as impersonal. It's just done at closer ranges and in smaller groups.

I wouldn't presume to think I could do this person's job. But they shouldn't presume that we don't have challenges of our own to face either.

"Fancy mail man" indeed. Tell us that the next time you are howling for ortillery support and your backup is trying to establish control of the theatre beacon in orbit against stiff opposition.

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.
Marth Young
Young Knights LLC
#5 - 2014-03-31 23:41:18 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
I think he's stupid for bragging about killing people, whether it's face to face or from afar.

-Eran


Mercenaries are always going to brag about killing people. Some of them became a mercenary because they were loyal fighter, others became mercenary because they were serial killers.

DeadRow wrote:
I think he needs a couple implants to adjust that personality of his.

~Hikari


The mercenary who posted the message against capsuleers is very arrogant. He is know for not being loyal and fighting completely for Isk, yet he cries Arkombine and that the four empires must fall.

Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
I have no illusions about competing with a trooper, enhanced or not, in ground combat. Any pilot that says otherwise is either delusional or a very exceptional case. I certainly wouldn't term a soldiers life as easy.

That said I wasn't aware that powered armour gave much of a view of the opponent's face as per the rant quoted here. I was under the impression that the killing is almost as impersonal. It's just done at closer ranges and in smaller groups.

I wouldn't presume to think I could do this person's job. But they shouldn't presume that we don't have challenges of our own to face either.

"Fancy mail man" indeed. Tell us that the next time you are howling for ortillery support and your backup is trying to establish control of the theatre beacon in orbit against stiff opposition.


The armor that the clone mercenary wears can be breached, especially if it is of matari or caldari origin. Still in most cases when a mercenary kills someone on the ground it is not personnel at all. They few noted times when a mercenary's suits mask is ripped off and exposed to the elements a few things can happen. The clone instantly dies due to the harsh elements around him, a round is fired near his head causing the clones face to be scorched, merc killing the clone with out a mask shoots him at point blank range vaporizing the clones face, or the mercenary killing the clone has went 514 and the clone being attacked wished he didn't have nanites in its blood stream.
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#6 - 2014-03-31 23:59:10 UTC
I think he's right.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
#7 - 2014-04-01 00:08:31 UTC
Wow, mercs are so cool. But thanks, I'd rather keep a distance.
Foley Aberas Jones
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-04-01 00:35:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Foley Aberas Jones
Day 51

The capsuleers are still convinced that i am one of them and not a Duster

They have gone on to make comments about my old comrade 21




Also that i believed i posted this aloud on a public thread and not in my personal log , like a dumbass


Note to self: acquire Milk from store when heading home



Nothing to see here fellow cappies, move along
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-04-01 02:13:52 UTC
Hey, if he wants to be an insecure testosterone-jockey, let him. If and when they get round to giving that neural transfer implant to fighter pilots, THEN the sparks should fly.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#10 - 2014-04-01 03:19:57 UTC
I've been working with pilots from wormhole mercenary groups lately, and they tend to be a bit more professional than this guy. I'm not sure if that's just a cultural difference between pilots and ground pounders or if the DUST merc in question is just particularly macho. I definitely do not doubt the bits about stabbing faces, however.

Could I do his job? Probably, but I wouldn't want to; capsuleering is much more suitable for a person willing to commit huge volumes of technical information to memory over years of cyber-training and is rather less physical. He's right in saying his experience as an immortal is very different and more brutal, and I'd definitely agree that capsuleers as a whole are kept pretty insulated from firsthand violence. I guess that's what lets so many of us handle security contracts and the like.

Now, a question for the clone mercenaries. You lot are used to very fast deployments lasting under an hour. Whenever I work with my capsuleer mercenary friends in wormhole space I'm often on hole control for hours on end, particularly during those awkward hours where most people are asleep. So my question is this: Do you even pull security?

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever
Foley Aberas Jones
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-04-01 04:07:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Foley Aberas Jones
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
I

Now, a question for the clone mercenaries. You lot are used to very fast deployments lasting under an hour. Whenever I work with my capsuleer mercenary friends in wormhole space I'm often on hole control for hours on end, particularly during those awkward hours where most people are asleep. So my question is this: Do you even pull security?


Mainly we are hired to do the following in a mission

Go here
Shoot the motherfuckers
Stab the bastard Chief
Get jiggy with it
Blow the **** up
Find the mystical Ark of the lost empire
Shoot more motherfuckers
Take the district for our employer
allow him to field his own grunts for security
Get hired by a Rival organization (or by Quafe) to take the district back



i like to think of it as a viscous cycle,

i just like my job, i live with a cappie now and i understand you guys go though a lot of ****, so i kinda changed my opinion on who's job is harder

But if we are to ever do security, like defend a place its usually at the last second as soon as the district is being attacked....i search for any contracts and im given the names of the two organizations duking it out, i then jump clone to a war barge orbiting the planet and wait for deployment...which takes like 15 mins

.however Corporations conquests are different from the empire's organization battles. How we fight over our ownership of turf in Molden Heath, we go and purchase a stock of clones to use in the battle

Then we fight over a district, once we win (if we do) then we can do whatever we damn well please with it, we can build various things (that i wont go into detail about)

then we proceed to stock clones in said district and we are given like a 24 hour notice (or was it 12 hour?) if a opposing corporation is wanting our district saying that are district will be attacked , our CEO or whatever then organizes his best men to defend said district when the timer hits 0

so we have set times were we have theses selected people report for duty, i have been in a few squads myself, we won some, we lost some, but we do as we are told and get paid...mostly

i know you think the hourly notice is stupid but CONCORD makes the rules here....
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2014-04-01 04:24:06 UTC
I'll remember him the next time I bitchslap physics and tell it to roll over and play dead for me. And the next time I make the sky burn.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#13 - 2014-04-01 04:51:26 UTC
No big deal really. I see my opponent's final moments of terror often - etched into their frozen features and echoing from their empty eye sockets. It's usually when spending some quality time on the lower level with my corpse collection. However I've never felt compelled to stab one in the face.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Ragnar Severasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-04-01 05:02:55 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
However I've never felt compelled to stab one in the face.


I've done that a couple of times myself before I became a capsuleer. Fun Times.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#15 - 2014-04-01 05:24:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Anabella Rella
I'm not sure why there's all the animosity towards the Dust mercs. Although I found the quoted soldier's remark about pilots being "fancy mailmen" and his overall tone a little insulting, I have to say that there's no way in hell I'd want to trade places.

Last year I managed to have 4 clones activated. I was told that a typical merc soldier loses around twice that many in a single battle! Multiply that number by several battles each day and I shudder to think about the long term effects on one's physical and mental well being. I know how having my consciousness transferred to a new body affects me; I have headaches, nightmares and anxiety attacks. I don't feel normal for a few days. I don't know how the ground pounders are able to die, be reanimated then immediately return to the battlefield to repeat the process numerous times. Then there's the matter of their implants. The current models are supposed to be free of the horrendous side effects of the first generation implants but, who really knows? They've only been in widespread use for a couple of years. Combine those concerns with relatively low pay and nearly constant front line deployment and you have a life that not many could handle.

I admit that I have a soft spot for ground pounders as I served 10 years in the army (although certainly not fighting on the front lines) before becoming a pilot. While we definitely face danger in the unforgiving environment of space each time we undock, our lives as planet-hopping, fabulously wealthy demigods/rock stars are pretty damned plush compared to the brutish, ultra-violent life of the average Dust soldier.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Goa Chai
Doomheim
#16 - 2014-04-01 07:32:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Goa Chai
21yrOld Knight wrote:
I earn my immortality because i am a skilled killer, because i can commit acts of destruction with out thinking about it. I can run up to my enemy and brutality stab in the face after ripping his mask off.


Capsuleer or Duster it doesn't really matter, we can puff our egos all we want but really we're all dyed in the wool killers, given an ability by fools to strike with force once thought the realm of gods, we end the lives of thousands on a daily basis without remorse, simply because we were orderd to or they were legal targets of opportunity and we felt like it, and the only differences are the tools we use and our reasons for doing it.

I guess another difference would be how some enjoy bragging about their body counts more than others... it's almost funny when ya think about it, I just killed several thousand inhabitants of a Serpentis colony and their entire security detail as I dictated this.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#17 - 2014-04-01 07:51:00 UTC
21yrOld Knight wrote:
So I must ask do you think that capsuleers can do our jobs.



I believe your friend's confusion is perfectly summed up in the wrong use of the auxiliary verb there.

Can we do them. No, we don't have the technological background and prerequisites.

Do we want to?

Well... no.
You're doing such a wonderful job already, and we wouldn't want to get our hands dirty. So, less questions, more shooting.

  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

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Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#18 - 2014-04-01 07:58:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Vachon
Anabella Rella wrote:

I admit that I have a soft spot for ground pounders as I served 10 years in the army (although certainly not fighting on the front lines) before becoming a pilot. While we definitely face danger in the unforgiving environment of space each time we undock, our lives as planet-hopping, fabulously wealthy demigods/rock stars are pretty damned plush compared to the brutish, ultra-violent life of the average Dust soldier.


Did my stint in the Federal Marines, i kinda have a soft spot for the Dusters, myself. They definately have nicer toys that we did, thats for sure.

As for 'tude, I think part of it may be that they get clones blasted, bombed, stabbed, burned, ran over, and otherwise gruesomely offed at an alarming rate. In the field, and among soldiers a kind of 'gallows humor' always tends to develop. or, in my case, wisecracks and smartassery under fire.

As Immortals like us, they cannot die, just transferring from one very temporary body to the next, it's easy to develop a bravado when you are not facing anything more than a temporary death in the field. Unlike us (usually) they die at an aforementioned alarming rate, so it''s no wonder that a kind of bravado and cockiness develops and is magnified somewhat, it may be a mechanism of coping with the fact that they've probably left more than a few mangled and atomized copies of themselves all over the cluster, often on a single battlefield.

We were a bit more careful, though, if i got blasted on an op I wasn't coming back, and i had friends who never got to go home, so our attitudes were, and are, different, but I can identify with the posting merc.

For what they do, and the ops that they take, the clone mercs are perfectly suited for their missions, shock troopers and high risk ops.

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content
TheCorpseTaker
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-04-01 09:55:37 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
No big deal really. I see my opponent's final moments of terror often - etched into their frozen features and echoing from their empty eye sockets. It's usually when spending some quality time on the lower level with my corpse collection. However I've never felt compelled to stab one in the face.


You have a corpse collection?

Is it for sale?
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#20 - 2014-04-01 10:57:35 UTC
TheCorpseTaker wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
No big deal really. I see my opponent's final moments of terror often - etched into their frozen features and echoing from their empty eye sockets. It's usually when spending some quality time on the lower level with my corpse collection. However I've never felt compelled to stab one in the face.


You have a corpse collection?

Is it for sale?

Yes sir, I do, like many capsuleers. Although it's size has diminished greatly since the robbery in Y115.

And no, is not for sale I'm afraid. They are very precious to me.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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