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So you want to have government with the power, controlling what the corporations can do via regulations and the force of government, all the while living under the pipe dream that wealth from the corporations won't influence the government. As if politicians and bureaucrats aren't human and instead angels placed on earth to guide and control the unwashed masses with the use of violence and coercion.

The Politician Speaks.

It seems you are fine with theft and violence, so long as it has the label "government" on it. I on the other hand desire voluntary association and exchange.

You are one sick individual aren't you? Maybe you can hire some government loving goons to come beat the crap out of me for exposing you as a blood thirsty sociopath.



"Rich people" are not some sub class of human beings. Pretty much everyone always wants more stuff. That's why in economics we have a concept known as unlimited demand.

As for the coal mine, script and company store - those were not voluntary associations were they? Nope.

Corporate violence bad, government violence good. That pretty much sums up your world view.



That is until some company captures government regulation, and alters the regulation so they can pollute up to a degree and you can't do a thing about it, even if it pollutes your property.

What if instead, even a tiny bit of pollution costs them millions because a private property owner were allowed to impose those costs upon the corporation? Your government doesn't allow that, your government doesn't care about your property, it cares about the property of the corporation because the corporation pays off the politicians and bureaucrats. Your government enables the pollution.



Governments have been screwing up economies all through history. Do you honestly believe that a small group of people have the ability to estimate what everyone else will do tomorrow?

Nice analogy, but it is non-sense.



But that is exactly the result of your government.

So everyone else is stupid, not a surprise comment from you, considering that you think a small group of people should have the right to force everyone else to do what they think is right.

And let's look at your silly wal-mart example. Yep, people want to buy things for less. So your government, with its regulations and rules and loopholes, increases the cost of labor. So those companies, who want labor at a lower cost, just like the unwashed masses want cheaper stuff at wal-mart, go off and find less expensive labor markets.

Now those people "over there", living in a hut and eating turtle heads can stay in the hut or go work in some sweat shop. Is that work voluntary or not? If it is voluntary, chances are it is better than sitting in a hut and eating turtle heads or they wouldn't do it

If they have the money and influence to sway the government and bend it the way they want how exactly do you think the consumers will do any better exercising any of their rights. Have you looked at the Amurican Consumer recently they hardly care about their own bodies.

Also, putting our lives and safety into the hands of lawyers and corpratists sounds like jumping from the frying pan into the fire to be honest, but I am willing to listen to what exactly you propose. Also, before you say it is 'our' responsibility to protect ourselves, which I believe it is, you have stated in the past that it will be our ability to employ lawyers that will balance the power between the citizens and the Corporate Conglomerates because the Corporations will no longer have the loop holes availble to protect them.

As I have said before, I am not a fan of the government, but the only evidence for what you say will work, is over 100 years old and 'worked' in a different time and age (unless you have a current example of a fully Capitalistic society currently operating). So, please mind map how you would change things instead of insulting relatively intelligent people. You are much more likely to win followers and influence individuals that currently do not think like you when you take a different angle.

P.S. Since you think I have watched too many movies, I will list a very few of the texts I have read, and I will add that they were all read voluntarily and I evaluated them without some non-neutral 3rd party telling how to interpret the texts. So, you can continue to insult me and others who disagree with you, but I will tell you that your argument process does not bode well for gathering people to your cause.


The Place of Anarchism in Socialistic Evolution
The Road to Serfdom
The Communist Manifesto
The Wealth of Nations
Thoughts on Man, his Nature, Productions, and Discoveries,
How the Other Half Lives
Anarchism: A Criticism and History of the Anarchist
The Theory of Social Revolutions
A Rebel War Clerk's Diary at the Confederate States
Manufacturing Consent


P.S.S Libertarianism, Anarchism, and any other form of self governance are quite liberal in nature and requires that all the individuals in a local to take total responsibility for their surroundings. Infrastructure, Intra/Interstate Commerce, Emergency response teams, education and every other thing the government 'takes care of' for us will fall directly on all of our shoulders. Our Four Fathers had to give up months of their time to travel 100's of miles, back and forth, to take care of business. I seriously doubt we can get the masses to follow that path, granted technology will speed things up, but things are a lot more complicated, intertwined and discombobulated; but I am more than willing to see your mind map.

Also, getting all the Religious people to fall in line is imperative for a society to operate without heavy handed political governance. They are typically the first to rail against any inequalities that may/will arise. They are the ones that ultimately started the nails in the coffin of Capitalism in the States and they typically have plenty of capital to throw at trying to solve the 'problems'.

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Actually Bill Gates wants to turn us all into robots, depopulate the earth so to be controlled by the few. We will become the tools, merged into their technology; bloatware that still won't boot any faster.

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