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Level 3 Missions

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Solairen
Matsuko Holding
#1 - 2014-03-31 18:20:08 UTC
HelloSmile

So at the moment I'm flying L2 in a faction frig and doing pretty well. It's a lot of fun flaying fast circles and shooting. But I searched and reviewed the forums a bit already, and realize I can't really do L3 in a Frig, maybe a T2... but it'll be very very slow. I haven't seen much talk about Cruisers though? The ISK and various sights recommend BC for L3, but these same sites recommend Cruiser for L2.

I fly Gall and use rails with drones for close work. My skills are all frigs and core skills (CPU,PG,Cap,Gunry,Nav). So I already have to invest in the Medium Turrets in addition to Cruiser skill itself.

So, can I get away with a Cruiser for L3 missions, or should I really just skip cruisers and burn up to BC? If so any advice on model and fit? What kind of drawbacks can I expect?

ThanksIdea
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-03-31 19:24:01 UTC
Use cruiser, either you die or not.

Also cruiser covers a lot of ground. t1 cruiser? faction cruiser? t2 heavy assault cruiser? strategic cruiser?

Being a cheap carebear that I am, I used t1 bc to run l3. But that's just me. No need to follow me.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-03-31 19:33:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeanne-Luise Argenau
test it. but for new player with low skills my experience was that l1 frig l2 cruiser l3 bc was the most efficient way to run. Also dont rush into bigger hulls as u need still proper skills to fit and fly those.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2014-03-31 20:36:13 UTC
The Typical recommendations are:

Level 1: Frigate or destroyer
Level 2: Cruiser
Level 3: Battlecruiser
Level 4: Battleship

These are not set in stone, rather just recommendations.

Note that cruisers and battlecruisers for the most part use the same fittings, so many of the same skills.
Faux Sho
Umbra Victoria
#5 - 2014-03-31 23:21:19 UTC
The above info is correct. Myrmidon is hard to beat for l3 Gal if you have decent drone skills, but it sounds like you have more sp into guns than drones. So maybe the Brutix would be better at this point.

I tried lvl 3's in an Omen at first. I beat the mission, but it took a long time. It took me less than 24 hrs to purchase a Harbinger for level 3's and I have not looked back. Battle cruiser is so much better.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-04-01 15:53:38 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
The Typical recommendations are:

Level 1: Frigate or destroyer
Level 2: Cruiser
Level 3: Battlecruiser
Level 4: Battleship

These are not set in stone, rather just recommendations.

Note that cruisers and battlecruisers for the most part use the same fittings, so many of the same skills.


QFT

However if you want alternatives

L2: AF
L3: AF or HAC
L4: HAC or T3

yes these ships are more skill intensive, and more expensive, but they can be fun to mission with as well.
Solairen
Matsuko Holding
#7 - 2014-04-01 17:02:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Solairen
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
test it. but for new player with low skills my experience was that l1 frig l2 cruiser l3 bc was the most efficient way to run. Also dont rush into bigger hulls as u need still proper skills to fit and fly those.


Learned that lesson on my 2wk trial account. One reason I'm still in Frigs, is all my past 40days of skill training (which I know is very little) has been core skills. CPU / PG / CAP to V, Armor Tank to IV of V (depend on skill), Gunnery Support skills to IV or V, Nav (w/ AF and MWD) to IV, Targeting IV.

I'm 28 days from having the IV or V in "Core Skills" that were covered under the old certificate, recommend by ISK Handbook and/or EveUni.

I think it's why I was doing well in L2 with a faction Frig. But I have no game experience past frigs.





Kitty Bear wrote:


QFT

However if you want alternatives

L2: AF
L3: AF or HAC
L4: HAC or T3

yes these ships are more skill intensive, and more expensive, but they can be fun to mission with as well.


I'm a day from AF if I want, but everything supports it being so slow it's frustrating. HAC sounds like a bunch of fun, but I haven't trained Desy or Cruiser yet, so it'll take much longer to reach HAC.

The Ship skills themselves aren't dependent on the skills below for anything other than the requirement to train right? I.e. If I just burn through to BattleCruiser, and neglect everything in between I won't be penalized right? (only taking about ship command skills).

Based on everyones advice, I'm thinking of training Destroyer to 3, Cruiser to 3, then BattleCruiser and Medium Rails/Drones. Then back tracking to work my way into a HAC.
Jacques-Benigne Bossuet
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-04-01 17:05:08 UTC
I used a Myrm for a long time when doing solo mission work; and the Ishkur can work... mostly, but made them a bit more difficult, but in all honesty, lvl 3s have never been easier than the Naga I swapped over to. Most things take 1 - 2 hits and drop, and I can peg them at right around 90k when I need to. I find it much faster than the drone micro managment for the myrm (though I could also solo lvl4s in that ship with some creative jumping, it was just never time efficient for lvl4s).

I'm not sure the Talos would be able to be similarly effective in a rail fit. Obviously it wouldn't hit the extreme ranges, but the tracking bonus wouldn't be a bad deal, and it's going to be a better fit with your current skillset (Armor Tank).

(should note my fit does not have T2 LRails).

Also, I have not tried it, but I hear that MRails got a buff, so you may want to try a Thorax... but then again... just go Brutix.

"An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is an adventure wrongly considered." G. K. Chesterton

Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-04-01 17:51:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
Frigate/Destroyer and Cruiser/BC each have a fair degree of overlap from a skill training aspect

Frigate & Destroyers use Small Weapons
Cruisers & BC's (mostly) use Medium Weapons


Yes you can quickly scoot through ship types to get somewhere specific, but I wouldn't recommend it as a good/sensible thing to do. (I've done it before in the past, and it can end badly)
The Core Skills and the Support Skills in each weapon category can make a significant difference to ship performance.

imho
The Engineering & Navigation groups are primary Core Skills
The Targeting & Rigging groups are secondary Core Skills

The Armour or Shield groups I classify as primary
The Ship Command group I classify as secondary

The Drones, Gunnery & Missile skill groups I would break down as follows
Support Skills are primary Skills
Specific Weapon System Skills are secondary skills
Specialisation Skills are tertiary skills

A BC with good (L4) primary skills and average (L3) secondary skills will steamroll L3's
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#10 - 2014-04-01 18:25:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Estella Osoka
Ishkur can do L3s just fine. You might need to pimp it out a little bit to get maximum effiencincy, but it works.

[Ishkur, PVE]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Centii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Gistii A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I

Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Hobgoblin II x5
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#11 - 2014-04-01 18:33:37 UTC
In the above setup, remember to keep moving, kill webbing and scram npcs first, then cruisers, then any BS.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-04-01 20:40:18 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
In the above setup, remember to keep moving, kill webbing and scram npcs first, then cruisers, then any BS.

L3 has bs?
I have a feeling you are not a mission runner.

I think the only bs in L3 are the troop transports and maybe 1 mission with actual one rat bs.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#13 - 2014-04-01 21:16:18 UTC
There aren't many L3 missions with a BS, but there are a few. I have run my fair share of missions. In fact, I have used that Ishkur fit above to run some L4s. It was slow going, but once you hit a certain level you just like to try out certain missions in unorthodox ships just to see if you can do it.
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-04-01 21:17:29 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
L3 has bs?
I have a feeling you are not a mission runner.

I think the only bs in L3 are the troop transports and maybe 1 mission with actual one rat bs.
They are rare, but they do exist.
E.g.: Angel Extravaganza bonus room, Crystal Dreams Shattered, Driving A Wedge, Down With The Legion, ...
Johm Luck
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-04-02 09:44:37 UTC
Jacques-Benigne Bossuet wrote:
I used a Myrm for a long time when doing solo mission work; and the Ishkur can work... mostly, but made them a bit more difficult, but in all honesty, lvl 3s have never been easier than the Naga I swapped over to. Most things take 1 - 2 hits and drop, and I can peg them at right around 90k when I need to. I find it much faster than the drone micro managment for the myrm (though I could also solo lvl4s in that ship with some creative jumping, it was just never time efficient for lvl4s).

I'm not sure the Talos would be able to be similarly effective in a rail fit. Obviously it wouldn't hit the extreme ranges, but the tracking bonus wouldn't be a bad deal, and it's going to be a better fit with your current skillset (Armor Tank).

(should note my fit does not have T2 LRails).

Also, I have not tried it, but I hear that MRails got a buff, so you may want to try a Thorax... but then again... just go Brutix.


How do you deal with frigates spawning at 20 in a Naga?
Jockari Morden
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-04-03 00:19:50 UTC
I am pretty sure the Naga can have drones -> 5 light drones will do the job.
Silky Cyno
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-04-03 02:09:45 UTC
Jockari Morden wrote:
I am pretty sure the Naga can have drones -> 5 light drones will do the job.


nope
stoicfaux
#18 - 2014-04-03 02:31:30 UTC
You could try level 3's in an Ishtar, but that requires a bunch of skills. You should be able to use a Gila, but price still might be a problem.

A BC such as the Myrm would probably be the best in terms of price, skills, and general practicality.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Johm Luck
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-04-03 10:01:43 UTC
Why are drones so op?
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-04-03 14:02:37 UTC
Johm Luck wrote:
Why are drones so op?


They aren't, they're just easy.
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