Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think this sums up all discussions with the Nestor to-date. Realistically, I think the chances of a Covert Ops cloak are less than zero. The Rorqual just got nerfed, so I don't see a Clone Vat Bay in the Nestor's future either. I think if the Nestor is going to be the only Pirate logistics, I think it should be dual armor-shield. I don't that drags it completely out of the abyss, but it's a start.

But here's my original suggestion for the Nestor: Turn that funky SoE rescue shuttle into a feature, by allowing you to leave the Nestor in the shuttle while the Nestor automatically cloaks behind you. This doesn't require a separate cloak module, and only activates when you travel 2000m from the ship. This means you'll need to bookmark it to find your way back, and it also means someone else can inadvertently stumble across the Nestor. What's unique about the SoE shuttle? It features an integrated Covert Ops cloaking device for exploration. You can park the Nestor at the entrance of a wormhole (or gate) and take the shuttle through to scout ahead, then return to the Nestor when it's safe to proceed. Voila.

+1, after 100+ sentient BS spawns, i've got 0 (ZERO ! ) chip drops ... What the hell , did they forgot to put them in the game ???

IDK, i had like 50 or so of Nightmare BPC. The thing is that drones have no other faction stuff that drops from the sentients, while that is not true of ANY other faction.

I thought the idea of the chips was to bring the price down by making it more available.
Maybe i got it wrong, I thought ccp had realized the ship isn't worth a billion + which is why the chips were brought in.

If the drop rate is so low people have already started to give up looking -

Maybe like everything else with the Nestor, CCP just got it wrong..


While this would be a very unique thing, I agree it is only a start. The Nestor needs to be able to do 1 thing well to get it out of peoples hangers and right now it just does not do that.
If it is to be a true logistics battleship, give it the right bonuses to reflect this, armor only and 25k range is not going to win it fans.
If it doesn't have fans, it doesn't get used.
It needs a cloak, whether it be a normal cloak with Blops bonuses or a covert cloak, it needs a cloak. So it fits with other SOE ships, so it is able to be used.

Right now my Geddon is more versatile than a Nestor could be (at 1/10th the cost)

I just came up with a brilliant idea for the Nestor, and it actually fits perfectly with the SoE lore. This is my take on doing "one thing well"… The Nestor has its attributes modified as follows:

• Signature Radius: 320m (from 465m)
• Inertia Modifier: 0.06x (from 0.18x)

The Nestor's role bonus is revised as follows (losing logistics capability and laser bonuses):

Role Bonus
• 10+ bonus to Relic and Data Analyzer virus strength
• 37.5% bonus to Core and Combat Scanner Probe strength
• Can fit SoE Cloaking Device and SoE Covert Scanner

This introduces two new SoE-exclusive modules, available only in the SoE LP store (for an as yet to be determined cost). Both are active, high-slot modules - and while both can be installed - they cannot be operated simultaneously (mutually exclusive):

• SoE Covert Scanner (+100% scan resolution, -50% targeting range installed; stacking penalized). When active, this will automatically detect all wormholes and covert cynosural fields within normal or wormhole space and any cloaked ships within 20km. Cloaked ships do not appear on D-Scan and only appear on the Overview as a flashing "unknown" entry (unknown range, velocity, name and type).
• SoE Cloaking Device (-50% maximum velocity modifier, 10s reactivation delay; -0% scan resolution bonus installed). This operates as a standard cloaking device with one exception: it is undetectable by a SoE Covert Scanner.

So while it's not fast, it's extremely agile - which means it can take advantage of Hyperspacial and Polycarbon rigs to give it a very fast warp speed and align time. It also has a smaller signature radius, making it much harder to scan down when EECM fit. And it becomes a predator - effectively able to actively hunt down covert incursions and potential threats (cloaked or otherwise).

Nope.

All the Nestor has done is fulfilled what CCP promised - an SOE battleship.

Unfortunately they never said it would be useful.

With a choice between an orange or a lemon, most would pick the orange.
CCP decided we should have a lemon.

But hardly a monument.......... More a monumental waste.

CCP can sometimes make brilliant decisions, in other cases not so much, I am guessing that this was designed long long ago, and they needed to update things to take account of the overall change in ships since then, but were cautious of being controversial.

Well they certainly didn't introduce any controversy,

They say an elephant is a mouse designed by committee,
The nestor seems to suffer from the same thought processes.

Break out of the rut on this CCP,

Decide where it is meant to be used and design accordingly.
It just doesn't work designing on the basis of "we have this ship what can we bolt on to it? " , to make it somewhat wanted.
Rip up the spec and start again, think what it should do and give it the fittings, cpu, grid, cap and shield recharge and bonuses to make it actually do that job and the following too!

The low mass indicates it is for wormhole space, but without warping cloaked it will never work or be wanted there.
Do they really have so little understanding of WH space that this is not screamingly obvious?


By all means, don't give it a covert ops cloak with all the additional bonuses to speed of travel while cloaked, just let it fit a standard cloak with the sisters special ability, the ability to warp cloaked. 15 seconds reactivation delay is fine, if it remains a logistics ship locking and sensor strength to match it's role.

But if not Wormholes, where do you want it's role to be?

One might get away with this design method with a frigate or cruiser, but with an aspirational ship costing hundreds of millions if not billions, a player would need to be absurdly profligate to consider it for more than a few seconds in it's current iteration.

Apart from market PvP are they actually selling any??
There are probably so few it would not be too disruptive just to pull it and relaunch it in it's new form, as in primera / noctis.