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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#1781 - 2014-03-31 18:32:00 UTC
CCP is even Tweeting guidance for those who think the whole thing is unfair to Ero1:




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Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1782 - 2014-03-31 18:35:57 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
So freedom of speech is supported up until someone's feelings get hurt, then its hate speech and pitchfork time? Pretty much sum it up from a CCP and pansy CSM perspective?


Please indicate where in the EULA or TOS "freedom of speech" is offered?

You clearly do not understand what the phrase means, so stop throwing it around.

I'll give you a hint: you have no freedom of speech in a privately owned and operated venue, such as a non-public internet forum or an online game.
Tesco Ergo Sum
#1783 - 2014-03-31 18:37:07 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
CCP is even Tweeting guidance for those who think the whole thing is unfair to Ero1:




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Not me, I resubscribed when I heard the good news. My last post before I quietly left is here:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4319490#post4319490

I wasn't expecting to come back but CCP did good with this one in a surprisingly short span of time.
Josef Djugashvilis
#1784 - 2014-03-31 18:38:35 UTC

This from a similar thread.


If CCP whacked Ero for what is commonly termed, 'gross misconduct' then it would mean that his behaviour was considered to be so beyond the pale that he forfeited the right to a warning.

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Haytrid
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1785 - 2014-03-31 19:20:28 UTC
IF Ero1 was banned for out-of-game harassment related to Sohkar and as a result of the "evidence" of the public recording of the bonus room then Sohkar should also be banned for the same reason as a result of the same piece of evidence and that ban should happen right now. . . today.

If Sohkar is not banned than the Ero1 ban should be reversed and warnings issued publicly about any wrongdoings observed by CCP so that there is a clear sense of what was done wrong and that *that action* specifically will not be tolerated in the future or at what point *that action* became unacceptable.

I am personally in the camp that no harassment transpired here whatsoever, towards Sohkar at least, and branding the bonus room as "harassment" is a very dangerous definition and will most certainly continue us down the path of limiting our Eve "freedoms".

This is just another step in destroying the unique Eve Online experience and replacing it with generic rubbish found in all other MMO's.

Seven year player here and I know nobody cares but I am seriously considering un-subbing both of my accounts in protest over this.

Enjoy your new theme park Ripard Teg and followers. Some few years from now you'll be discussing why Eve is such boring spoon-fed mush and you'll wonder at whatever happened to the player inspired emergent game-play. You'll still be in denial that it was you, this issue, and your continuing agenda that is to blame.
Bael Malefic
Doomheim
#1786 - 2014-03-31 19:23:46 UTC
Haytrid wrote:
IF Ero1 was banned for out-of-game harassment related to Sohkar and as a result of the "evidence" of the public recording of the bonus room then Sohkar should also be banned for the same reason as a result of the same piece of evidence and that ban should happen right now. . . today.

If Sohkar is not banned than the Ero1 ban should be reversed and warnings issued publicly about any wrongdoings observed by CCP so that there is a clear sense of what was done wrong and that *that action* specifically will not be tolerated in the future or at what point *that action* became unacceptable.

I am personally in the camp that no harassment transpired here whatsoever, towards Sohkar at least, and branding the bonus room as "harassment" is a very dangerous definition and will most certainly continue us down the path of limiting our Eve "freedoms".

This is just another step in destroying the unique Eve Online experience and replacing it with generic rubbish found in all other MMO's.

Seven year player here and I know nobody cares but I am seriously considering un-subbing both of my accounts in protest over this.

Enjoy your new theme park Ripard Teg and followers. Some few years from now you'll be discussing why Eve is such boring spoon-fed mush and you'll wonder at whatever happened to the player inspired emergent game-play. You'll still be in denial that it was you, this issue, and your continuing agenda that is to blame.


Yes, EVE is dying. You know where the door is.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1787 - 2014-03-31 19:26:44 UTC
Bael Malefic wrote:
Haytrid wrote:
IF Ero1 was banned for out-of-game harassment related to Sohkar and as a result of the "evidence" of the public recording of the bonus room then Sohkar should also be banned for the same reason as a result of the same piece of evidence and that ban should happen right now. . . today.

If Sohkar is not banned than the Ero1 ban should be reversed and warnings issued publicly about any wrongdoings observed by CCP so that there is a clear sense of what was done wrong and that *that action* specifically will not be tolerated in the future or at what point *that action* became unacceptable.

I am personally in the camp that no harassment transpired here whatsoever, towards Sohkar at least, and branding the bonus room as "harassment" is a very dangerous definition and will most certainly continue us down the path of limiting our Eve "freedoms".

This is just another step in destroying the unique Eve Online experience and replacing it with generic rubbish found in all other MMO's.

Seven year player here and I know nobody cares but I am seriously considering un-subbing both of my accounts in protest over this.

Enjoy your new theme park Ripard Teg and followers. Some few years from now you'll be discussing why Eve is such boring spoon-fed mush and you'll wonder at whatever happened to the player inspired emergent game-play. You'll still be in denial that it was you, this issue, and your continuing agenda that is to blame.


Yes, EVE is dying. You know where the door is.


I don't often post just to echo, but pretty much this.

Mr Epeen Cool
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1788 - 2014-03-31 19:47:37 UTC
Just my two cents:

Anyone who participates in "harassment" such as the bonus room quandary has done so VOLUNTARILY under the premise they would become spacerich. Anyone contacting Ero for the purposes of their own ISK advancement has also done VOLUNTARILY.

I have not seen an answer to this:

If someone voluntarily participates, how is anyone, including anyone from CCP, going to pull a harassment card?

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Uncle Joe Stalin
Banderlogs Super Puper academy
#1789 - 2014-03-31 19:54:52 UTC
This is real life crime. This is fraud...

It was very popular "game" in Russia in 80's and 90's. And many many organizers were jailed. Big smile
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1790 - 2014-03-31 20:16:29 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:


I have not seen an answer to this:



You are typing words, so I know you are probably not blind. I can think of no other explanation as to how you missed the many DEV and CSM answers to this.

Mr Epeen Cool
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1791 - 2014-03-31 20:20:51 UTC
Bael Malefic wrote:
Danalee wrote:


For the one thing that is clear in the EULA, Racism: people are actually making excuses for the person who blatantly broke that rule?!



Do quote one person excusing racism on this thread or any related thread.

Just one quote.


You jest, yes?

Every other post in the jester thread is someone saying but they pushed him to the breakingpoint and normally he isn't a racist biggot but when you ask him to sing songs and read text he is under extreme stress and that's what the problem was, it wasn't his fault, etc...

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1792 - 2014-03-31 20:23:02 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:


I have not seen an answer to this:



You are typing words, so I know you are probably not blind. I can think of no other explanation as to how you missed the many DEV and CSM answers to this.

Mr Epeen Cool


I must be blind. In case I have missed it (hey, maybe so, its a huge thread, in which case youll have to pardon my mistake), nothing has been posted as to how someone can volunteer to be harassed, and how in fact that is anyone's problem but the idiot that volunteered.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1793 - 2014-03-31 20:23:37 UTC
Bael Malefic wrote:
Danalee wrote:


I don't compare anything related to eve, teamspeak or even hurt feelings to anything related to the holocaust because that would be SICK, can't imagine who thinks like that.... Oh wait.

Thanks.


Really? Just after you quoted Niemoller's famous quote about the Holocaust to make your point about how you disapprove of CCP's enforcement actions?

Inconsistent much?


Inconsistent? How? If I say... For example:
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
^^ I DID NOT JUST SAY YOU ARE A STUPID HORSE.
An ass, maybe but using quotes and sayings is a means to an end and not to be taken literally.

No thanks.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1794 - 2014-03-31 20:30:39 UTC
tasman devil wrote:

Now... what happens to our two lovebirds?

Namely:
Erotica1 - who has committed harassment of bannable to life proportions
Sohkar - who -although enraged beyond measure at that point- posted life threats on the voice chat

So what now?
To punish them both (Ero1 - life ban, Soh - 30 days ban) would be a hard but justifiable course of action.


Woah... I did miss a bit. This gem in particular.

From what I understand here:

Ero made a jackass out of some jackass. Ha ha. This = life ban.

Sohkar made a DEATH THREAT and that only gets a 30 day ban?? WTF? Youll have to explain that one.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
olan2005
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1795 - 2014-03-31 20:33:01 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The slippery slope argument slips both ways.

Without intervention, bad conduct will slide into worse conduct.

It is exactly to prevent that sliding, that action must be taken.

And what has prompted that action, is a group of people "sliding" down that side of the mountain into a place that the game doesn't want to be.

Erotica1, with his extreme and protracted actions, has jeapordised all of our freedom.
Its exactly people that abuse the levity of existing laws, that force society to implement stricter ones, whereas before, the existing ones where adequate.

This is no hero of freedom we are talking about here. Its someone who irresponsibly abused the freedom we had, to the result that now all of our freedom is under closer scrutiny and tighter parameters.


see above post for some common sense
Deeone
Deadspace Zombie Factory
#1796 - 2014-03-31 20:36:21 UTC
Just gotta throw this out that in the real world to harass a person you have to keep trying to harass them after they tell you to stop. Under this apparent policy any unwanted contact could be construed as harassment. Basically contrary to everything that EvE says it represents your poor decisions to give all your stuff away then stay in a ts3 channel for 2 hours will have no consequences for you even if you personally understand and learned from what happened, and didn't even quit playing eve. I thought we were doing this for player retention yet this victim who by all you guys definition should never want to play eve again is still playing, and seeing more fallout from people white knighting him when he doesn't even want it. SO to summarize harassment is any in game contact for more then like 5 mins and its not harassment to launch a complaint about this on a blog(cough cough when a petition failed) when you're not personally involved and the victim doesn't even want your white knighting. Never mind the guy got kicked out of his current corp after the scandal went public. Its funny the white knights are gonna drive the guy from the game when the scammers couldn't. But you know its all for the greater good.......
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1797 - 2014-03-31 20:37:47 UTC
olan2005 wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The slippery slope argument slips both ways.

Without intervention, bad conduct will slide into worse conduct.

It is exactly to prevent that sliding, that action must be taken.

And what has prompted that action, is a group of people "sliding" down that side of the mountain into a place that the game doesn't want to be.

Erotica1, with his extreme and protracted actions, has jeapordised all of our freedom.
Its exactly people that abuse the levity of existing laws, that force society to implement stricter ones, whereas before, the existing ones where adequate.

This is no hero of freedom we are talking about here. Its someone who irresponsibly abused the freedom we had, to the result that now all of our freedom is under closer scrutiny and tighter parameters.


see above post for some common sense


Another player who's seen the light. Without intervention, bad conduct will slide into worse conduct, it is exactly to prevent that sliding, that action must be taken. A Warning must be given by CCP to the player sliding the wrong way so he can take his little sled and march right back up the hill where all of the righteous tramme... Careb.... Fellow players live in harmony!

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1798 - 2014-03-31 21:25:51 UTC
Why do people keep equating stupid with carebear in this thread?

I remember back when Erotica1 made bonus room victims spam our in-boxes to announce their upcoming degradation, I received mails from some pretty prominent PVP players.

It's not what you choose as a career that makes you stupid. It's that you think you can get something for nothing in this game. And from what I've seen there is no shortage of stupid right across the spectrum here.

Mr Epeen Cool
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1799 - 2014-03-31 22:59:32 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:


I have not seen an answer to this:



You are typing words, so I know you are probably not blind. I can think of no other explanation as to how you missed the many DEV and CSM answers to this.

Mr Epeen Cool


I must be blind. In case I have missed it (hey, maybe so, its a huge thread, in which case youll have to pardon my mistake), nothing has been posted as to how someone can volunteer to be harassed, and how in fact that is anyone's problem but the idiot that volunteered.

Apparently, once you become emotionally unstable, you're not responsible for your own actions and it's up to other players to make decisions for you. If you make them wrong, BAN.

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1800 - 2014-03-31 23:43:12 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Danalee wrote:
You sure have a weird mayo fetish, I'd have that checked if I was you Lol

I'm glad you realize that it is a weird mayo fetish and a behavior that requires professional attention. Now you just need to direct this to Erotica 1, as he's the one that has made his victims smother themselves in mayo for his own viewing pleasure. Or did you not know this Blink?

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