EVE General Discussion

Looking at their forum posts....
Looking at Mittani....
Looking at wide support for E1....

I don't see any reasons to meet them closer.

You are a member of Something Awful, are you?

And I dont know where this E1 support you are talking about is, all I have seen from the majority is E1 hate.

Plus, who cares about any of that if they are winning?

not really 'no'. Personally i have met them in 'Delve2012' when they just roflstomped Delve/Querious singing songs about 2 big coalitions when there was no southern coalition at all. There were only many small alliances which roamed around with agreement to not fight for SOV.

But for most players here it's 'no'. Why?
It's like RL terrorists or USA soldiers: they can be really nice and cool people. And maybe it would be great to be in their team.
But it just happens that every time you meet them you are their target.

The same with goons in Eve: most of players only see bad side of them. And it is not other people's fail. When you only nice to your teammates don't blame others for hate towards you.

Just keep chucking out that 3.7 % crap.
It is actually 37.0%.

You moved the decimal.

Ok this should be fun.

How did you get that number for the total isk income from melting down junk for mission runners?

Obviously not.
So where did it come from? If you have anything to support that number, please provide it.

Oh… and good luck. Not even in the heyday of drone-poo were there missions where the this change would have reduced the income from even that single mission by 37% — much less do it for the entire mission-runner population as a whole.

Considering that total loot from missions does not provide 37% of income I would say your claim that we will see a 37% drop in mission runners total income due to the nerf to refined junk to be laughable.

…except yours doesn't seem to have any empirical backing behind it and is, in fact, outrageous just on the face of it. You're trying to suggest that across every mission-runner in the game, the mineral content of just the refinables alone equates to more than ⅔ of their total income. Mission rewards, bonuses, bounties, LP, salvage, actually valuable loot — all of it must be absolute peanuts compared to the immense value of repro:d minerals if your number is to be even remotely true.

I don't have to provide anything to support someone else's numbers. You, however, have to provide something to support your own, especially when — as in this case — they are so beyond the realm of believability.

We do? Prove it.

I know you won't be suckered into providing any kind of data to support your case, for the simple reason that you don't have any. You're making it up as you go along without stopping for a second to even think about whether your fabrications seem reasonable.

Malcanis, why is it so hard for CCP to pull out some hard data?
CCP can turn this 50 page "he said, she said" back and forth into 10 pages real quick, by simply pulling the relevant data for the last 6 months, aggregating it, and presenting a simple pie chart.

You give me a day to brush up on my old SQL skills, and another day getting up to speed on the CCP database, and I could pull out hard numbers. I imagine a SQL pro could get the numbers in a couple hours.

I KNOW they won't, because it will defeat the cartels' constant propaganda about this being a minor hit to mission running, but I wish CCP had the balls to back up their game mechanic changes with numbers.

I mean, CCP MUST have previously run numbers to come up with all the odd little ones they have on refine and this 50% re-process nerf. or was just a simple one at the pub where the cartel guys said, "hey, let's cut reprocess in half"?

Oh, and for the record, that 37% number is pulled out of my butt, just like Tippia's and the other liar's 3.7% is.
But I know mine is closer to the truth that theirs is.

It is curiously close to the amount of materials added to the base amounts in the ships most affected by tiercide…

We know you invented it. We also know that you have no idea about what “the truth” is since you keep attributing the number to me. Oh, and we know you're a liar because you just now tried to claim that the reward level for all mission runners is closer to 67% than it is to 6.7%. In other words, you're saying that at least 37% of global mission income comes from recyclable loot… do you honestly believe this is even remotely true? Do you honestly think that bounties + agent rewards + LP + sellables + salvage only accounts for 60% of the value mission-runners generate?

Even back in the day when loot was actually valuable and had a high mineral content, and even when stupidly melting down loot that was more valuable unmelted, it only amounted to 18% — less than half of what's needed to make your “closer to my number” claim true, and almost a quarter of what your ass-pull number would require. So no, 3.7% would still be a closer estimate… hell, even 0% would be closer.