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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1721 - 2014-03-31 05:02:29 UTC
Druthlen wrote:
I took some time off from this game with all this nonsense. I could not in good conscience play a game were the owners allowed such events to occur. I think banning ero 1 was the right thing to do. I will never forget how sadistic this guy sounded. I want to play with in game villains not serial killers in the making. I hope the FBI is watching him.



Never mind they allowed this to occur for about a year without comment.

Can I have your stuff?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1722 - 2014-03-31 07:06:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Riot Girl wrote:
Druthlen wrote:
I took some time off from this game with all this nonsense. I could not in good conscience play a game were the owners allowed such events to occur. I think banning ero 1 was the right thing to do. I will never forget how sadistic this guy sounded. I want to play with in game villains not serial killers in the making. I hope the FBI is watching him.

You sound pretty sadistic yourself. You look like a serial killer too.


Its so wierd that Sebiestors alwayscome off with the "we are morally superior" attitudes and the "being a big meanie makes you EXACTLY the same as Jeffery Dahlmer" statements

And look at their cold, dead eyes and fish-people faces

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Mario Putzo
#1723 - 2014-03-31 07:23:04 UTC
Have Ripard Teg and Sohkar been banned yet?
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1724 - 2014-03-31 07:30:54 UTC
A suggestion to fix it all and go back to enjoying EVE, if you will;

Don't tackle all the examples from the past but focus on the future (may it be as bright as ever) of EVE.
Don't ban Shadoo, Grath, The goons who stole more than a thousand $ worth of stuff from a player all the while edging him to go back to WOW
Unban who's banned be it Sokhar, Erotica Ripard or Malcanis.

CCP changes the rules (THE HORROR) to reflect they don't have the cabability to police what happens outside of their game.
CCP changes the rules some more to add the following caveat;
If we deam a certain type of behavior not befitting an EVE player, we will warn said player of this sentiment and allow him one chance to stop or alter it. If what we defined as bad behavior continues after the official warning. BAN THE WITCH!

Rejocice stuff changed but it didn't, let's go back to whatever it is we were doing.
My, that's some nice bling you've got there Twisted

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1725 - 2014-03-31 07:32:03 UTC
A suggestion to fix it all and go back to enjoying EVE, if you will;

Don't tackle all the examples from the past but focus on the future (may it be as bright as ever) of EVE.
Don't ban Shadoo, Grath, The goons who stole more than a thousand $ worth of stuff from a player all the while edging him to go back to WOW
Unban who's banned be it Sokhar, Erotica Ripard or Malcanis.

CCP changes the rules (THE HORROR) to reflect they don't have the cabability to police what happens outside of their game.
CCP changes the rules some more to add the following caveat;
If we deam a certain type of behavior not befitting an EVE player, we will warn said player of this sentiment and allow him one chance to stop or alter it. If what we defined as bad behavior continues after the official warning. BAN THE WITCH!

Rejocice stuff changed but it didn't, let's go back to whatever it is we were doing.
My, that's some nice bling you've got there Twisted

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Dex Lysia
Doomheim
#1726 - 2014-03-31 07:48:49 UTC
This has been a sad week for Eve.

Recent events have brought to the foreground some of the most distasteful corners of Eve. The activities of the people in these corners are not related to Eve-defined PvP such as ship, market or sovereignty combat. They are in a different league to the harmless, impersonal invitations to send all your ISK to someone in the idiotic hope that they will return more than you sent.

A number of people, myself included, have expressed their concern at these distasteful activities and requested that CCP distance themselves from these sick few. Unfortunately this number didn't seem to be big enough to swing CCP and all we got was a carefully worded statement of no change of the status quo.

They consciously chose to support the sick few by their lack of positive action. I had hoped that this would have been an excellent opportunity to take some positive action and attempt to clean up the media's representation of the game's reputation. Instead they chose to reinforce the existing image of a place of freedom for the worst elements of gaming society.

Sad
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1727 - 2014-03-31 07:53:06 UTC
Does anyone care what the "victim" thought in this situation? He didn't even think of himself of a victim, until riptard publicly shamed him even worse..

I disagree
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1728 - 2014-03-31 07:54:46 UTC
Dex Lysia wrote:
This has been a sad week for Eve.

Recent events have brought to the foreground some of the most distasteful corners of Eve. The activities of the people in these corners are not related to Eve-defined PvP such as ship, market or sovereignty combat. They are in a different league to the harmless, impersonal invitations to send all your ISK to someone in the idiotic hope that they will return more than you sent.

A number of people, myself included, have expressed their concern at these distasteful activities and requested that CCP distance themselves from these sick few. Unfortunately this number didn't seem to be big enough to swing CCP and all we got was a carefully worded statement of no change of the status quo.

They consciously chose to support the sick few by their lack of positive action. I had hoped that this would have been an excellent opportunity to take some positive action and attempt to clean up the media's representation of the game's reputation. Instead they chose to reinforce the existing image of a place of freedom for the worst elements of gaming society.

Sad



Someone hasnt been paying attention

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Mario Putzo
#1729 - 2014-03-31 07:59:37 UTC
No one should be banned. That is the point. the only reason anyone is banned is because CCP was getting bad press.

The Bonus Room wasn't a problem a year ago. CCP Knew about it. Why is it suddenly a problem now. Answer bad press in the MMO community. Thanks Ripard Teg.

Its just like when Mittani got banned...oh wait no it isn't Erotica1 has never told this community to troll someone until they commit suicide.

The only reason someone was banned was because CCP took some heat. That is it, that is all. If Ripard never wrote his blog, and this didn't become an issue in the MMO community, then it would have been business as usual, just as it has been for over a year.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1730 - 2014-03-31 08:07:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Mario Putzo wrote:
No one should be banned. That is the point. the only reason anyone is banned is because CCP was getting bad press.

The Bonus Room wasn't a problem a year ago. CCP Knew about it. Why is it suddenly a problem now. Answer bad press in the MMO community. Thanks Ripard Teg.

Its just like when Mittani got banned...oh wait no it isn't Erotica1 has never told this community to troll someone until they commit suicide.

The only reason someone was banned was because CCP took some heat. That is it, that is all. If Ripard never wrote his blog, and this didn't become an issue in the MMO community, then it would have been business as usual, just as it has been for over a year.


Further, if we had stayed in New Eden, the Game of Threads wouldnt have magnified this issue out of all proportion either

But then, Im a sick psychopath who needs kicked in the face, so what do I know Pirate

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Asia Leigh
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#1731 - 2014-03-31 08:23:35 UTC
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Does anyone care what the "victim" thought in this situation? He didn't even think of himself of a victim, until riptard publicly shamed him even worse..


^^ This ^^

Sokhar might as well Bio-mass at this point (Assuming he isn't banned). All riptard did was paint a bulls-eye on this guy and his eve career as "Sokhar" is effectively over. We all fall for scams at some point, but all this has done is rub salt in the wound making him and any corp he joins a major target.

While CCP may have been investigating this way before riptard's blog post (entirely possible, we don't know and probably never will) All the post did was publicize Sokhar's misfortune (all of his own doing) with inflammatory words such as "tortured".

Also, didn't sokhar specifically go on record saying he wasn't harassed. I hate to state the obvious, but you cant have harassment without someone being harassed. Just saying...
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Salvos Rhoska
#1732 - 2014-03-31 08:28:28 UTC
And if Erotica1 and Co had never taken their activities to such extremes for as long as they did, none of this would have happened.

This is the status quo. Adapt and HTFU :)

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
GrowlingMadScientist
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1733 - 2014-03-31 08:28:50 UTC
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Does anyone care what the "victim" thought in this situation? He didn't even think of himself of a victim, until riptard publicly shamed him even worse..


In these cases the opinion of the victim does not count much, look up the term "Stockholm syndrome".
Asia Leigh
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#1734 - 2014-03-31 08:31:49 UTC
GrowlingMadScientist wrote:
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Does anyone care what the "victim" thought in this situation? He didn't even think of himself of a victim, until riptard publicly shamed him even worse..


In these cases the opinion of the victim does not count much, look up the term "Stockholm syndrome".


Surely your trolling right? Because we all know Rokhar was a kidnapping victim being held against his will... >.>

0/10
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
GrowlingMadScientist
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1735 - 2014-03-31 08:39:23 UTC
Asia Leigh wrote:
GrowlingMadScientist wrote:
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Does anyone care what the "victim" thought in this situation? He didn't even think of himself of a victim, until riptard publicly shamed him even worse..


In these cases the opinion of the victim does not count much, look up the term "Stockholm syndrome".


Surely your trolling right? Because we all know Rokhar was a kidnapping victim being held against his will... >.>

0/10


It is not restricted to hostage scenario's, that's only where it was first observed and classified.

Read the definition, even the 2nd paragraph on wikipedia states:

'Stockholm syndrome can be seen as a form of traumatic bonding, which does not necessarily require a hostage scenario, but which describes "strong emotional ties that develop between two persons where one person intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other."'
Asia Leigh
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#1736 - 2014-03-31 08:47:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Asia Leigh
GrowlingMadScientist wrote:
Asia Leigh wrote:
GrowlingMadScientist wrote:
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Does anyone care what the "victim" thought in this situation? He didn't even think of himself of a victim, until riptard publicly shamed him even worse..


In these cases the opinion of the victim does not count much, look up the term "Stockholm syndrome".


Surely your trolling right? Because we all know Rokhar was a kidnapping victim being held against his will... >.>

0/10


It is not restricted to hostage scenario's, that's only where it was first observed and classified.

Read the definition, even the 2nd paragraph on wikipedia states:

'Stockholm syndrome can be seen as a form of traumatic bonding, which does not necessarily require a hostage scenario, but which describes "strong emotional ties that develop between two persons where one person intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other."'


I would buy this if Sokhar had been keeping in contact with erotica. Evidence shows the only interaction these 2 parties had were last month when the scam took place, and just last week after the **** hit the fan. Also did you even listen to the last half hour of the scam recording. Do you really think he was having a bonding experience with Erotica? Sounds to me like he wanted to rip Erotica's head off.

So again what does 'Stockholm syndrome' have anything to do with this case?

Edit: Also in the latest recording Sohkar also states he didn't want to join Erotica's corp, be a bonus room agent, or really have anything to do with erotica... So theirs that too
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1737 - 2014-03-31 08:53:22 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
And if Erotica1 and Co had never taken their activities to such extremes for as long as they did, none of this would have happened.

This is the status quo. Adapt and HTFU :)


You know, these two sentences together have made your point far clearer than any of your previous posts have.

Given my recent comment in the other near-identical thread in GD, I can see what youve been trying to say.

I suppose that shows that when things are looked at without an emotional reaction involved, even positions which seem to be polarised from each other can be a lot closer.

+1 buddy.

+1

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1738 - 2014-03-31 08:58:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
And if Erotica1 and Co had never taken their activities to such extremes for as long as they did, none of this would have happened.

This is the status quo. Adapt and HTFU :)


You know, these two sentences together have made your point far clearer than any of your previous posts have.

Given my recent comment in the other near-identical thread in GD, I can see what youve been trying to say.

I suppose that shows that when things are looked at without an emotional reaction involved, even positions which seem to be polarised from each other can be a lot closer.

+1 buddy.

+1


See we could make this a threesome, if you could accept that people need to be warned by CCP when they are crossing the invisible line. When warned you get the chance to adapt and HTFU, if not warned you don't need to because it's all good.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Salvos Rhoska
#1739 - 2014-03-31 09:02:57 UTC
Danalee wrote:
See we could make this a threesome, if you could accept that people need to be warned by CCP when they are crossing the invisible line.


I do not accept that, or agree with it. Nor is it true.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1740 - 2014-03-31 09:07:34 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Danalee wrote:
See we could make this a threesome, if you could accept that people need to be warned by CCP when they are crossing the invisible line.


I do not accept that, or agree with it. Nor is it true.


Well, finding common ground between disagreeing parties is what we are trying to do here.

As I said in the other thread, CCP do often issue warnings when someone is nearing the invisible line, and to be honest, I find that a completely acceptable position, and more than one has come to expect from Blizzard, Games Workshop, Microshaft etc etc etc

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann