Crime & Punishment

You seem to have a mssive lack of understanding I'm afraid...

I'm not sure why you used that quotation to end with that statement.

This isn't about my cash flow (which is fine)... it's about wcs being so cheap. Do you understand it now?

Yes.. yes I am... and what does that mean in your mind?

I am going to have to disagree with you here. Both WCS and ECM have counters, and they add substance to the game.

Stabs: Remember that not everyone is looking for combat environments 100% of the time, and you camping a gate doesnt mean your guaranteed to kill something that jumps through. Just last night, I travel fit a cerb to bring back to my wormhole. Why? Because I dont want to solo engage a fleet of battleships with logi in my brand new HAC. If you really, really, REALLY need to make sure it doesnt get away, use a HIC.

ECM.... this one is of particular interest to me because I am an avid Falcon pilot. What exactly are you saying is a poor design about it? There most used argument I hear (this may not be your point, but bear with me) is that ECM is overpowered with no counter. This is absolutely non true. At a basic level, you should be training your sensor compensation skills. At an active level, you can fit ECCM mods. Yes, it may mean you suffer a hit somewhere else on your fitting, but there it is.

ECM tears are awesome. Just a few days ago, I took my falcon to a FW plex. I messed up, and warped to zero on the gate while the fight was happening around me. I was decloaked by the acceleration gate, and took the warp to avoid getting blapped. The targets saw me go inside. They then decided to follow me in, get jammed out, and be destroyed. They then complained about it even after witnessing the fact that there was a Falcon on grid.

" We would have won without the ECM"

Yeah, maybe, but you didnt.

ECM is just as much a part of the game as blasters, railguns, missiles and cannons. Dont hate the Falcon.

1) Of course its fun, its fun because sometimes its a challenge, and sometimes they get away. You want them to never get away. Incidentally, blockade running is also very fun.

2) I was pointing out that this can be changed somewhat if you want it to be, you don't need the game designers to step in. Its EVE create your own content.

3) Who says everything in EVE is for profit? From this kind of forum post, I'm surprised people aren't specifically seeking out your gate camp and skating past you with stabbed up ships repeatedly just for a tiny taste of your tears. Hey, just created some of my own content. Maybe if I'm bored I will start making stabs by the thousands and make sure their readily available at all corners of the empire. I can run them even into low sec stations so poor noobs trapped there can get easily affordable stabs to get through the packs of wolves waiting for them, well the packs of wolves and you. Maybe I'll run for CSM under the premise of "cheap stabs for everyone!"

Well, you can actually fit six points of scram to a Punisher if we're being technical. And expensive.

You cry a lot.

One must also remember though that the price of said materials is completely subject to the market as well. You're right that the cost of T1 items are largely going to be the cost of the materials, but said cost can vary quite a bit.

Of interest, items like the WCS that don't have a lot of benefit from their meta level, the meta variants will be of similar cost to the base variant, if people even bother to sell them on the market.

That all said though it is within the capabilities of the EVE player base to substantially alter the market values of such items. Occasionally its worth selling items with a loss on the profit with other gains in mind. The standard WalMart tactic. If one has greater resources to pour towards such market warfare (I always find it amusing that many people in EVE consider you only PvPing if you're actively shooting at someone else's ships) Finding posts like this one are also incentive to do so. In this case if every isk of revenue lost translates into someone getting through the OP's gate camp, then that's a direct expenditure of ISK for tears. I'm sure lots of people can get behind that.



If anything has been established here. Stabs are just one part of the game. IMHO they have adequate penalty for their use. If I choose to blockade run, it severely cuts into my profit margin to use them (every Stab used is one less cargo extender). If you're hanging out on a gate just for kill mails, I'm sure it doesn't hurt you that much on the odd person paying the penalty of getting through. If you're really enforcing a blockade, well then you'd better step up and bring friends, fit more points or go the expense of someone manning an HIC. The OP reminds me of a lot of WoW players who whine when "my class and spec that I want to play can't duel against another class and spec, nerf their class."

The wonderful thing about EVE PvP is its a very complicated game of Rock-Paper-Scissors-Lizard-Spock. If you pick rock all the time sooner or later someone's going to go Paper and foil your plans. That doesn't mean Paper needs to be nerfed.

So all I have to do is scramble my alt to be invincible, ok

I believe that what Target Breaker modules are for.

Not 100% reliable tho.

I've played with the TLB and I could not find a use for it. It buys time but a boosted interceptor is going to get a new lock on it - unless we are down to who presses what button fast enough and that's not reliable as you state.

I did notice once that the TLB is unlike any AOE type of ECM in that is does not aggress anything - so the only use I can come up with is if don't want to be scanned at gates for... PLEX? There are better ways to move PLEX.

Maybe smugglers could use this if NPCs actually scan with modules - but I know nothing about that.