EVE General Discussion

the numbers in that chart represent where minerals came from and are based on some Dev blog from 2008. Since then Drone Poo is gone, and Gun mining has seen around a 50% reduction to what it was. Following both instances prices rose on all products due to reduced supply of mid - high tier minerals.

People do not mine the ore that produces these minerals in any real quantity, Zydrine, Noxcium, Mexellon, and Megacyte, are all needed for production, I would wager at present the vast majority if those minerals come from loot reprocessing not mining, simply due to the fact, people do not mine the ores that those minerals come from in quantities that support demand.

Trit, Pyrite, and Isogen are common from ore in HS, the rest are not, and these changes are not going to entice people to start flocking to LS and NS to start mining. If they aren't chasing the better isk/hr now, they won't in the future.

Maybe you are a robot, maybe not, but I see the point has entirely eluded you.

>>>>You can't remove 45% of 25-30% ~whatever mineral~ without having an impact on the market availability.<<<<<
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This is the point. If I could draw little arrows pointing to it over and over I would

I don't care if mining produces 50% and Loot 50%. Taking 45% of that 50% leaves a gap. If Mining was as big a to do as you make it out to be, then minerals from loot wouldn't have a place in the game. The fact CCP is nerfing that means they do have an impact in industry vs mining.

Removing that without incentive to mine said ore is going to leave a gap in the availability. Do you understand how supply and demand works? Do you understand what Supply Push and Demand Pull inflation is?

Since it's such a small portion of the total supply, it's very easy to do so without any effect — after all, other activities can trivially make up for the minute shortfall.

I know it is. The counter-point, which you seem to have problems grasping, is that you don't know how large a portion of the overall mineral production this 45% repro nerf will actually affect.

The 12–15% number you like to throw about is based on a misreading (or complete ignorance) of data, mixed in with pure presumption about the reconfiguration of a different percentage. Or, to use a short an pithy phrase, “no basis in reality”. So let's use the 3½% number instead since it actually does have some basis, and note that this ends up being a pretty darn small number that other activities can compensate for with ease.

Sure it would. Unless the market is completely overs-aturated (and it never is), there's always room for more, especially if it's a very small portion to begin with.

No, it just means that they don't want reprocessed goods to be a good source of minerals — in particular, they don't want produced goods to be immediately reconfigurable into anything you need at no loss. It will have an impact, sure: it will make production a lot easier since there will be more lines available now that they're no longer clogged with compression jobs. But that is pretty much the opposite of the four-letter word you chose to describe the effects.

Well of course the game continues. But lets at least call this what it really is. A direct nerf to HS/LS/NS production, so Sov NS can pretend to be a cog in the wheel of Industry which it isn't and will never be.

Essentially anyone who doesn't take part in the Sov game is going to experience a reduction in production capacity and thats all this boils down to.

I think it is quite possible to buff Sov Null production without nerfing all other production at the same time, don't you? Do you honestly think people are going to take all ore out to Sov NS refine it and bring it back? Give me a break.

I have no issue with increasing the rate of Sov NS productivity, I take issue when every other region of space gets negatively impacted in order to facilitate that change.

The majority of the people who play this game don't play in Sov NS, and the majority of people in Sov NS don't play unless they are being pinged to blob a timer.

Ehm… no. If anything, production capacity in highsec goes up with this change since slots are not longer wasted on compression jobs.

Because quoting something vague from six years ago now counts as facts in what is happening this summer...

A 3.7% drop in some mission runners income is not a huge nerf. After all, you were positively giddy with the 5% nerf to all null sec anom runners.

What's the process for getting the relevant statistics from CCP? Petition the CSM?

Posting to confirm Tippia is in fact a robot.

Also posting to confirm it is logical for the most powerful player-run entities to have the best industrial potential considering we're in a game that is supposed to be very much player-run.

Also posting to confirm it is so easy to make absurd amounts of profit in this game in high-sec that a nerf of 5% or 10% or 15% is irrelevant. You will now only have 250bil to hoard instead of 300bil. Do you see my point?

I have yet to see one real reason why the situation that DP fears is a bad thing

Sorry, another one of your lies.
I argued that it was actually unfair in the 1st iteration.
The 2nd iteration, however, swung the pendulum way too far the other way.

One of your fearless leaders and CSM member actually posted a troll comment about my support.

So if you are going to lie, you best at least try to get some basis of reality beneath you.