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Elson Tamar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2011-11-30 11:20:52 UTC
The Naga is awsome to look at, so theres one reason to train it. It's a reason for me to train caldari ;) and as for drones not being a primary weapon you obviously have never see an Ishtar or a neuting Domi at work. Not to mention the Sin used as it's ment to be used.

What you really wanted to say was 'I want to fly the new ship with skills i have already and why can't i have a torpedo launcher of doom 'cause i already have a drake'

Seriously you have the option of the blaster nano naga or the fast moving you cant hit me rail naga, slap on some large shield extenders for tank.

I only have experience of the talos, but mine is a 1088m/s 28000 ehp blaster boat. Seeing the use of the Naga yet?
Cozmik R5
Chez Stan
#42 - 2011-11-30 11:23:20 UTC
Caldari used to be latin for "lack of gank". It's about time they got some ganky love!

Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#43 - 2011-11-30 11:26:29 UTC
Amazing to think that even Gallente and Amarr have ships using two different weapon systems.

Megathron has missile hardpoint, as does Enyo and have you ever looked at the Eris?

Amarr have lots of missile ships as well as lasers.

If it was a missile ship you'd be crying it was too similar to a stealth bomber or a Raven or something. Stop crying and use it.
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#44 - 2011-11-30 11:27:02 UTC
Learn to train noobs.

Missilecarebears.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#45 - 2011-11-30 11:34:18 UTC
I agree 100%

Naga should have 8 high slot missle or Hybrid with role bonus for both.
And Amarr should have role bonus for large smart bombs.
Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2011-11-30 11:53:33 UTC
This is one Minny that loves this post lol.

But hey guys, look on the bright side. Once you've trained for all the Minmatar ships you are close to being able to fly any ship in the game competently.
Captain Megadeath
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2011-11-30 12:09:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Megadeath
Federigo Mondial wrote:
I am for one happy to have another rail boat for the Caldari.
Caldari has being lacking a proper DPS railboat for a long long time.


Oh, so this..........

Now real Caldari pilots that choose guns and go the Merlin, Moa, ferox, Rokh route get some loving.... Twisted

Missilebears, you got some loving last time with your 110km+, 600DPS Tengus. Move along, nothing to see...... Twisted
Ghoest
#48 - 2011-11-30 14:57:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghoest
OP is a whiner.

Minmatar has several ridiculous ships that need to both missiles and projectiles at the same time.

Gallente have drone ships and some that need to fit drones and blasters both at the same time.

Amarr has laser ships, drone ships and missile ships.



OP is a loser.

Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#49 - 2011-11-30 17:20:07 UTC
If its any consolation, i did fit t2 siege onto the naga on the test server and it was pretty fail compared to the blaster naga.
Sader Rykane
Midnight Sentinels
#50 - 2011-11-30 17:21:57 UTC
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Just another Caldari ship that takes non-Missle weapons skills.

Has there ever actually been an explanation as to why we need 2x as many weapons skills just to fly all of our own races ships?

Thought it was going to have missles?


Say it with me now:


MIN-MA-TAR
Vyl Vit
#51 - 2011-11-30 17:26:51 UTC
Gallente shmallente. Two words. Sorry for the excess verbiage.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Mnengli Noiliffe
Doomheim
#52 - 2011-11-30 17:33:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe
naga is much better than rokh because it got dps bonus. this is everything for this kind of ship.

in fact it's very similar to vindicator now but unlike that, it has great range (yes I need it for sniping), great locking range, and enough mid slots for shield tank. although vindicator can be fitted with 90k ehp and 4 MFS, it's too scary to fly because of the price tag...

i don't see what everyone is whining about. my experimental pyfa fit shows 800 dps at 64+30 km. this is better than tengu in most situations since you can refit longer ammo with slightly less dps. and this is instant damage so it's much better.

maybe it can't handle many lvl4s by itself, but it's excellent secondary damage dealer, better than maelstrom imho (unless target npcs are particularly resistant to therm+kin of course).
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#53 - 2011-11-30 17:43:55 UTC
Once you train minnie support skills to spec you don't have to train any other support skill to fly other races. You have to train every frickin skill to fly minnie ships so please more Naga QQ for good measure throw in another Winmatar thread.

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Federigo Mondial
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#54 - 2011-11-30 17:48:57 UTC
What to fly in a Caldari spec char is now Drakes, Naga and *insert random ECM boat here*
A few down more to go ~
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#55 - 2011-11-30 18:25:22 UTC
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
Amazing to think that even Gallente and Amarr have ships using two different weapon systems.

Megathron has missile hardpoint, as does Enyo and have you ever looked at the Eris?

Amarr have lots of missile ships as well as lasers.

If it was a missile ship you'd be crying it was too similar to a stealth bomber or a Raven or something. Stop crying and use it.


I've trained all races ships and have only to train energy weapons for amarr out of weapons systems.

That being said I have trained drones AND 2 weapons types for the 3 races I am fully trained in, and will have missiles, drones, and energy weapons for Amarr when completed.

Focusing on one ship is awesome, cross training is awesome. You can't do both at once, it takes time to do them all.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Selinate
#56 - 2011-11-30 18:34:59 UTC
I fly amarr. Do you know how many different skill sets we need to fly our subcap ships?

Missiles.
Drones.
Lasers.

Quit complaining.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#57 - 2011-11-30 18:44:25 UTC
Sader Rykane wrote:
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Just another Caldari ship that takes non-Missle weapons skills.

Has there ever actually been an explanation as to why we need 2x as many weapons skills just to fly all of our own races ships?

Thought it was going to have missles?


Say it with me now:


MWIN-MA-TAR


FYP. Cool

I should really train projectiles so I can play with the Tornado... maybe I'll add that little side-plan this weekend... hmm...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Pulgy
Doomheim
#58 - 2011-11-30 18:48:02 UTC
Bootleg Jack wrote:

Has there ever actually been an explanation as to why we need 2x as many weapons skills just to fly all of our own races ships?


Welcome to being Gallente.
No range? No problem!   Join the Church of the Holy Blaster™ . A Hybrid religion.
Alistair Cononach
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#59 - 2011-11-30 19:07:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Alistair Cononach
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Am: Energy


Leaves out:

Inquisitor (Frigate, Missiles)
Arbitrator (Cruiser, Drones/Neuts)
Malediction (Inty, Missiles)
Vengeance (AF, Missiles)
Sentinel (EAF, Neuts/Drones)
Anathema (Cov Ops Frig, Missiles)
Purifier (Cov Ops Bomber, Missiles)
Heretic (Dictor, Missiles)
Sacrilige (HAC, Missiles)
Curse (Recon, Neuts/Drones)
Pilgrim (Recon, Neuts/Drones)
Damnation (Command, Missiles)

Our best T1 Cruiser, best Inty, only Dictor, only EAF, both Cov Ops Frigs, Best solo HAC, both our Recons and best Fleet Comamnd Ship all require non-Energey Weapon Skills.

And Amarr (generally) gets decent drone bays, so Drones also required (not optional) and are primary weapons for three hulls.

Toss in that the Maller, Navy. Aug and Prophecy all work better in many ways with Autocannons, and thats three more hulls that are really not "energy" focussed in general use. Also, Blood Raider ships (half Amarr, Amarr based Hulls) are all Neut-based Ships as well.

Safe to say that a good Amarr pilot needs a touch more than Energy Turrets to succeed with Amarr hulls.
StillBorn CrackBaby
Doomheim
#60 - 2011-11-30 19:23:17 UTC
I'm Caldari with 20+ Million SP in Gunnery. So I like it...