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Scrapmetal Processing

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Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#1 - 2014-03-20 17:23:20 UTC
According to this Table: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Refining#Pilot_Skills
While I'm on 50% yield station and got 6.67 standings.

With Refining V + Refinery Efficiency V then anything I'll refine with give 99.5%.

So for the skill Scrapmetal Processing you need Refining V + Refinery Efficiency V before you can train it.

so in theory any ranks above tank 1 of Scrapmetal Processing will basically give me nothing n that situation, correct?
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#2 - 2014-03-20 17:58:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Zor'katar
In that situation, correct. You can also avoid training Scrapmetal Processing altogether (avoiding having to train Metallurgy V) with a 1% implant. (Or also avoid training Refinery Efficiency V with a 3% implant.)
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#3 - 2014-03-20 18:00:37 UTC
this thread is null and void as new devblog about refining overhaul was published... really annoying changes and massive timesink incoming.

Seems we'll need...
Refining V \ Refining Efficiency V \ Specific ore Skills 5 on 50% station with 6.67 standings to get 2.8% LESS then what we get now with our 100% refining.
Batelle
Filthy Peasants
#4 - 2014-03-20 19:22:11 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
really annoying changes


They look pretty good.

Plus the refining window is getting a major face-surgery.

\o/

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Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#5 - 2014-03-20 19:32:47 UTC
Batelle wrote:


They look pretty good.

Plus the refining window is getting a major face-surgery.

\o/


I know... I know...
but dam skills need to train into Vs now when I thought I was done with them :x
Shoogie
Serious Pixels
#6 - 2014-03-21 19:44:11 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
Batelle wrote:


They look pretty good.

Plus the refining window is getting a major face-surgery.

\o/


I know... I know...
but dam skills need to train into Vs now when I thought I was done with them :x


There are going to be a lot of people training a lot of reprocessing skills in the next couple months, who then find out they never really needed them to begin with.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#7 - 2014-03-21 20:27:45 UTC
Outsourcing refining services is the key.

I hope we will get a company for refining like red frog for shipping and pro synergy for looting.
Shoogie
Serious Pixels
#8 - 2014-03-21 20:44:18 UTC
Think about this:

Who uses the most minerals? Capital ship producers.
How do they get their minerals to low/null sec today? Lots of 425mm Railguns.
How will they get their minerals to low/null sec after scrapmetal processing is nerfed? Compressed Ore.

You cannot make compressed ore out of minerals, only out of ore.


Therefore: the people who buy the most minerals are going to want to buy ORE and will likely pay more for the raw ore than they would if you ruin it by refining it into minerals.


What you are going to need to outsource is the compression. That will be done by anyone with a POS.
Batelle
Filthy Peasants
#9 - 2014-03-27 14:06:38 UTC
Shoogie wrote:
What you are going to need to outsource is the compression. That will be done by anyone with a POS.


I'm kind of wondering how lucrative this will be for non-mining hisec pos owners.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#10 - 2014-03-27 19:38:49 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Shoogie wrote:
What you are going to need to outsource is the compression. That will be done by anyone with a POS.

I'm kind of wondering how lucrative this will be for non-mining hisec pos owners.

The Compression Array has the same fitting requirements as a Mobile Laboratory.

Most likely a POS owner will not have a Compression Array online continuously, and will instead just temporarily offline a lab (5 seconds) while compressing.

So really it only costs a hisec owner the price of the Compression Array.

The Reprocessing Array is similar, though requires two labs to be temporarily offlined.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-03-27 21:13:06 UTC
changing direction slightly.

who would think that mineral bay and ore bay freighters are now needed with those changes
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#12 - 2014-03-27 21:14:26 UTC
But if the lab is justifying what it costs to use, there won't be time to offline it.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#13 - 2014-03-28 10:54:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Val'Dore wrote:
But if the lab is justifying what it costs to use, there won't be time to offline it.

Compression of up to 20,000,000 m3 will be instant. Reprocessing will take 10 seconds.

I offline busy labs all the time when I'm moving stuff between a large ship array used for storage and various manufacturing arrays. The small amount of time offline doesn't really matter.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#14 - 2014-03-28 14:25:46 UTC
People takes all this max profits calculations way too seriously it's just a game do what you enjoy...
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#15 - 2014-03-28 19:07:29 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
People takes all this max profits calculations way too seriously it's just a game do what you enjoy...

The calculations and efficiency maximization are exactly what some people enjoy doing.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#16 - 2014-03-28 19:48:57 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
But if the lab is justifying what it costs to use, there won't be time to offline it.

Compression of up to 20,000,000 m3 will be instant. Reprocessing will take 10 seconds.

I offline busy labs all the time when I'm moving stuff between a large ship array used for storage and various manufacturing arrays. The small amount of time offline doesn't really matter.




I was under the impression offlining labs cancels their jobs? I assume this is not the case for you to use it so freely.
Shoogie
Serious Pixels
#17 - 2014-03-28 20:08:10 UTC
No. Offlining a lab only pauses the jobs. They resume immediately when the lab is re-onlined.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#18 - 2014-03-30 19:59:38 UTC
Confirmed I will be erecting a pos for 10% tax on reprocessing jobs com expansion!

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Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#19 - 2014-03-30 20:06:11 UTC
checking on the dev blog again normal space station will give base yield of 50% then a pos will give 52% and 54% as base yield depends on which array you use.
The 52% one is available anywhere and 54% only from 0.3 and lower.

so does the extra 2\4 % will cover the costs of hauling ores over just refining in 50% yield stations ?