EVE General Discussion

This is what makes Dust so damned dangerous to Eve. If people can't maintain the style of play due to things completely out of their control (Dust mites on their consoles) they'll simply get frustrated and find a more appealing game. Making the tie-ins interesting and fun, that would work. Making them mandatory or fatal... it's failure waiting to happen.

You can't force people into playstyles they have no interest in. Sadly, CCP fails to realize this, and it's rather discouraging for the future.


At least the warp-tunnels are cool.

Inflation is a constantly active force in EVE, but it is not why planetary materials will cost more. PI costs more to produce, and will in some ways become more scarce due to POCO destruction and players eschewing it for other activities. That's not inflation, sorry to disappoint you!

Maybe it is because I have tonnes of ISK that I do not care about making more... I care about getting engaging and challenging game play.

In some way I am actually happy that PI provide so limited game play that I have not ended up investing anything important into it before the feature became inaccessible to me. It would have been much harder to give up, say, a named colony with thousand of residents that I had spend months cultivating by running aggressive recruitment campaigns among neighboring colonies and millions of ISK in infrastructure and facilities to keep spies and sabotages to a minimum.

The changes have caught many producers flat-footed. There is a fair amount of frustration at the sharp increase in production costs compared to current market prices. The most unpleasant short-term impacts will fall upon under-prepared POS owners (fuel) followed by T2 producers.

Fair enough. Might I suggest that a bit of patience may be in order?

The "market" will need time to adjust to this new mix of production costs: various tax rates per planet, volatility in the quantities of PI/T2 items actually reaching the market, sell off of stockpiles, and margin buy/sell orders by wealthy middle-market traders.

The "market" will adjust! It will take time. In the interim, keep track of the net weighted average cost of production for the PI and T2 items you now stockpile rather than send to market. Even POS owners who run PI to fuel their stations should have some level of surplus production to allow for stockpiling of both fuel and manufactured T2 products.

While profits may or may not match current levels, over time these costs, combined with short-term scarcity, will drive up product prices.

For those who are either understocked or cash-flow challenged, my courteous best wishes in riding out the market turbulence.

Fortune still favors the prepared mind.

I actually think the market already adjusted before the expansion came out. For example, robotics is up some 80% since they announced the changes. That's more than the cost of the tax even if you calculate in that you have to export, import to a factory planet, and re-export.

A fair criticism Teamosil. To clarify:

-- The production cost spike seems to have shocked a number of producers.... just look in some of the S&I and MD threads... lol
-- It is my experience that a significant minority of producers (particularly PI producers) have a hyper focus on cash flow. As long as the ISK flows those producers are happy campers buying their PLEX, shiny stuffzzz, etc.
-- IMHO T2 producers have an even more careful eye on market trends, and are more mindful of cash flow to maintain production.

Once the initial shock of the short-term reduction in cash flow has worn off, and these producers do what they must to meet their cash requirements, I'd expect to see these producers stockpiling as much as possible until average Buy order price > weighted average net cost of stockpiled items.
-- Some selling to meet cash-flow needs? Sure...
-- Further price spikes in T2 gear and high-end PI products? Yep. IMHO, if they're smart.... producers stockpile and shortages on the market will move prices quickly enough.

Would not be at all surprised in the prior run-up in price was largely driven by the better prepared POS owners and T2 producers, with some enthusiastic help from the middle-market traders.

Replacing the customs offices with your own simply incurs a what... 160M or so isk hit right away that will take many months (pre-patch levels) to recoup in savings from a 0% tax rate. You take the blow all at once, then have to look at this damnable object that's nothing more than an isk sucking worthless piece of crap floating in your wormhole. They add nothing to the experience of Eve at all from a wormhole perspective, and denigrate it for the lesser spaces outside wormholes.

Don't you think its kind of ridiculous that there are customs offices around unknown planets anyway. Perhaps wormhole PI should start with an expensive program of settlement and colonization and terriforming before you could use the planets in the first place.

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Well I'm a fan of that heroic PI 2 suggestion they have over in features and ideas - but hey, that would take best part of a full expansion to implement. In the mean time I'm happy that PI begins to be an engine that can bring some population to lowsec and gives my corp and I something to do to positively construct a friendly trade environment.



Well just so you know where I stand on the issue. I think NPC corps should have a big tax rate that makes it economically disadvantageous to remain in them shielded from wardecs while player corps are not. It kinda goes the same for hisec PI - its essentially risk free so it should have higher taxes than lowsec PI (which comes with the risk of enemy player action.) this stuff is just simple dynamics in the eve sandbox.



What about synth boosters manufactured in lowsec? Won't they be cheap easy to distribute now? Why don't you come to our home system and make them :)



The sad truth is that numbers matter everywhere. My industrial director can control regional markets because he can throw 100billion isk at buying out rivals. There's no getting away from this stuff entirely in a multiplayer game.

But lowsec is a decent opportunity for people to make increased PI profits. It is relatively easy to travel into and if you are careful you'll rarely get ganked or ganged up on. The Customs structures are relatively cheap and easy to put up and you'll find plenty of outfits going the lowtax route. Sure its a bit of jarring step to leave the safety blanket of guarenteed npc facility profits - but in the long run interacting with other players is what the game is about.