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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1681 - 2014-03-30 14:33:30 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


He hasn't to my reading, actually said that.

If he has, I'd appreciate a link to where.


Bolded and iltalicised for clarity

"However, there's a line as to how severe those circumstances should get, and I'll paraphrase Mynxee by saying that this line needs to be drawn at the point where the alleged victim starts to lose emotional control. We can't set an arbirarty line for this, as this is different for everyone, and every situation. There must be a willingness by those involved to recognise when that point has been reached and realize, with positive community spirit in mind, that they should stop and honor that line with humaine and decent behaviour."

- CCP Falcon, post 378 in thread "CSM FEED BACK TO CCP"


Ok. Thanks for the original wording.


Not a problem, friend

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Josef Djugashvilis
#1682 - 2014-03-30 14:57:42 UTC
Dorn Val wrote:
Goa Chai wrote:
Dorn Val wrote:
Life is filled with all kinds of people, some bad and some good. So do you stay in your house all day afraid to go outside? Eve is more simulation than game and a reflection of what would happen if you put people in the environment that pod pilots are in. Think "Lord of the Flys".


So.... who wants to be PIggy? Twisted


Piggy saw the world not as it was but how he wanted it to be, so I'd guess that most of the high sec Care Bears could play the part...


Baltec 1, is that you?

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Darkopus
Perkone
Caldari State
#1683 - 2014-03-30 15:30:03 UTC
Gerald Mardiska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Gerald Mardiska wrote:
my point is the "victim" chose to do this when he should have known it was a scam. its his fault.

The perpetrators chose to do this despite there being no further profit in it. That is their fault.
The scam was completed at the point that they had all his assets. Everything after that is superfluous to that fact.


Falcon's clarfication stated that they should have stopped just after he went mental, not before he entered the Boners Room

Just sayin'


granted they should have stopped before he went mental, but clearly that wasnt there plan. if im correct they wanted to break him emotionally. is it wrong... yes it was unnecessary. but the "victim" is still at fault because he chose to participate in the scam and got scammed.


No

the scam was long over before they got their mental masturbatory pleasure from the emotional breakage. To defend that by saying he got what he deserved is some of the stinkiest bullshit around. He deserved to get scammed out of his ISK and that's fine but the bullshit that happened afterwards was just for sadistic kicks by a deranged sicko. CCp would do weel to ensure these kinds of perverts are kept out of EVE altogether.

I have no problem with someone cutting it rough in game, blwoing all my **** up even smack talking in local, but taking it to the next step is a bullshit act of perverse sadism. The tears being wept by the enablers in here is priceless.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1684 - 2014-03-30 15:32:29 UTC
Darkopus wrote:
perverse sadism.


You have no idea what this phrase means

You really dont

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#1685 - 2014-03-30 15:48:13 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Dorn Val wrote:
Bael Malefic wrote:
Liese Shardani wrote:
Tor Norman wrote:
Seemed to work well for him.
I'd like to convince more of my coworkers and friends to try EVE, but if I had to answer the question of "Well, what do you DO in EVE?" with tales of begging in Jita and luring people to the glorious Bonus Round, not only would they not want to try the game but they'd also think I was not someone they want to be around.

I continue to be amazed that anyone's willing to defend the practice.


There are plenty of basement dwelling social misfits and closet sociopaths who will defend it.


Life is filled with all kinds of people, some bad and some good. So do you stay in your house all day afraid to go outside? Eve is more simulation than game and a reflection of what would happen if you put people in the environment that pod pilots are in. Think "Lord of the Flys".

Life is filled with accidents too. Would you like to have your ship destroyed "just by accident" or "because of some technical defect in electronic systems"? Or outpost with all your stuff blew away "just because of hit by some occasional asteroid"?


LOL that would be awesome...

You are just flying around and ::NOTIFICATION : YOUR SHIPS O2 SUPPLY HAS MALFUNCTIONED, FLOODING YOUR CAPSULE WITH DEADLY CARBON MONOXIDE - YOU ARE DEAD::
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1686 - 2014-03-30 15:48:56 UTC
Darkopus wrote:
[ but taking it to the next step is a bullshit act of perverse sadism


So ganking a mans 44bil ships is fine. Cool.

Marking him for a 60bil scam while pretending to help him is fine or next level? Not sure.

Then interviewing him for a public post so people can laugh at him is what? next step perverse sadism?
http://themittani.com/features/alod-go-back-wow?page=0%2C1

Or is that Ok, kinda hard to tell, but considering the target was making some real life threats is pretty clear he was having an emotional breakdown, yet the public post went up anways and remains to this day.

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Pew Terror
All of it
#1687 - 2014-03-30 16:05:07 UTC
It's still amazing how many adult people in this thread have difficulties using common sense when it comes to human interaction.
On the stream when ero and pets were asked where the line was the 2 answers were: "Only when it gets put on pictures/video" and "There is no line.". Obviously people like that need to be policed because they lack the brain function to decide thermselves.

Common sense people when dealing with other humans, its not THAT hard.
Tesco Ergo Sum
#1688 - 2014-03-30 16:06:39 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Darkopus wrote:
[ but taking it to the next step is a bullshit act of perverse sadism


So ganking a mans 44bil ships is fine. Cool.

Marking him for a 60bil scam while pretending to help him is fine or next level? Not sure.

Then interviewing him for a public post so people can laugh at him is what? next step perverse sadism?
http://themittani.com/features/alod-go-back-wow?page=0%2C1

Or is that Ok, kinda hard to tell, but considering the target was making some real life threats is pretty clear he was having an emotional breakdown, yet the public post went up anways and remains to this day.


Hmmm, you might be onto something here...

I'm sure TMC will cover this with full impartiality, I know EN24 has!
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1689 - 2014-03-30 16:46:44 UTC
I just got back from my local park where I was enjoying watching the sheer innocent joy of children that can be truly excited to the core in the simple act of running around with no purpose. No anger. No hate. Just the simple pleasure of existing.

How do we go from that to what I see in this thread? People desperately trying to justify the actions of a sadistic psychopath. Even going so far as to express joy in listening to the recordings of, and the participating in, that twisted TS channel.

Like I said earlier. We are one ****** up species.

Mr Epeen Cool
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1690 - 2014-03-30 16:51:27 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I just got back from my local park where I was enjoying watching the sheer innocent joy of children that can be truly excited to the core in the simple act of running around with no purpose. No anger. No hate. Just the simple pleasure of existing.

How do we go from that to what I see in this thread? People desperately trying to justify the actions of a sadistic psychopath. Even going so far as to express joy in listening to the recordings of, and the participating in, that twisted TS channel.

Like I said earlier. We are one ****** up species.

Mr Epeen Cool


Children are probably some of the most heartless sadistic creatures on this planet.

It follows then that innocence and sadism are not mutually exclusive.

But they can hate.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1691 - 2014-03-30 16:58:48 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Children are probably some of the most heartless sadistic creatures on this planet.

I


I'm not going to get drawn into that discussion. I'll just say that I agree with that. Except...

The thing is, they don't do it out of malice. They do it out of curiosity. They don't know their boundaries. That's for us to guide them in. But what do we do? We teach them hate and racism and give them encouragement to lie about their dark side.

Mr Epeen Cool
Salvos Rhoska
#1692 - 2014-03-30 16:59:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Children are probably some of the most heartless sadistic creatures on this planet.

It follows then that innocence and sadism are not mutually exclusive.

But they can hate.


Understandable and acceptable in children, due to their stage of development.
Not in adults.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#1693 - 2014-03-30 17:01:21 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I just got back from my local park where I was enjoying watching the sheer innocent joy of children that can be truly excited to the core in the simple act of running around with no purpose. No anger. No hate. Just the simple pleasure of existing.

How do we go from that to what I see in this thread? People desperately trying to justify the actions of a sadistic psychopath. Even going so far as to express joy in listening to the recordings of, and the participating in, that twisted TS channel.

Like I said earlier. We are one ****** up species.

Mr Epeen Cool


It's because we idiotically gave the ignorant and socially malformed a broadcasting tool that lets them shout out to the entire world practically with almost complete anonymity. It used to be only by submitted and approved Op Ed letters and such, which mostly never saw the light of day (thankfully).

If all Tweets, Facebook Updates, and Forum postings were required to include a valid name and address, we would not even hear one thousandth of it at all.

Take away the guardians at the gate and anarchy takes over immediately.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1694 - 2014-03-30 17:03:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Mr Epeen wrote:
[I'm not going to get drawn into that discussion. I'll just say that I agree with that. Except...

The thing is, they don't do it out of malice. They do it out of curiosity. They don't know their boundaries. That's for us to guide them in. But what do we do? We teach them hate and racism and give them encouragement to lie about their dark side.

Mr Epeen Cool


Hmm. I dunno.

I think you are underselling what creative little murderers they can be.

But yes, I am with you on not getting drawn into that. Its a bag of crack thats on fire with worms all over it in a blender with £500 in cash near the top

Salvos Rhoska wrote:


Understandable and acceptable in children, due to their stage of development.
Not in adults.


I could give an example (multiple) of why its not, but I wont because see reply to Mr Epeen on that one.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#1695 - 2014-03-30 17:06:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Kinis Deren
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#1696 - 2014-03-30 17:07:50 UTC
Pew Terror wrote:
the 2 answers were: "Only when it gets put on pictures/video" and "There is no line.". Obviously people like that need to be policed...

Yes, it's obvious people who want to vilify themselves in a game that promotes being the villain have some serious problems. I think that's the part a lot of people don't understand. It's not even about sadism, it's just about being vilified by the community, because this used to be the game where you were allowed to do that. Now Eve is the game where you can be the villain, but if you're too good at it, you'll be banned.

Oh god.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1697 - 2014-03-30 17:10:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Riot Girl wrote:
Pew Terror wrote:
the 2 answers were: "Only when it gets put on pictures/video" and "There is no line.". Obviously people like that need to be policed...

Yes, it's obvious people who want to vilify themselves in a game that promotes being the villain have some serious problems. I think that's the part a lot of people don't understand. It's not even about sadism, it's just about being vilified by the community, because this used to be the game where you were allowed to do that. Now Eve is the game where you can be the villain, but if you're too good at it, you'll be banned.


What if you are like me, a self-confessed sadist who only does consensual sadism in real life (or Out-Of-Game as its now known), but sticks to the rules as tightly as possible when performing my acts in game?

Am I going to be policed? Should I be afraid?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#1698 - 2014-03-30 17:12:53 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Pew Terror wrote:
the 2 answers were: "Only when it gets put on pictures/video" and "There is no line.". Obviously people like that need to be policed...

Yes, it's obvious people who want to vilify themselves in a game that promotes being the villain have some serious problems. I think that's the part a lot of people don't understand. It's not even about sadism, it's just about being vilified by the community, because this used to be the game where you were allowed to do that. Now Eve is the game where you can be the villain, but if you're too good at it, you'll be banned.


What if you are like me, a self-confessed sadist who only does consensual sadism in real life (or Out-Of-Game as its now known), but sticks to the rules as tightly as possible when performing my acts in game?

Am I going to be policed? Should I be afraid?


Yes. You're gonna get banned and doxxed.

Oh god.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1699 - 2014-03-30 17:14:07 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


What if you are like me, a self-confessed sadist who only does consensual sadism in real life (or Out-Of-Game as its now known), but sticks to the rules as tightly as possible when performing my acts in game?

Am I going to be policed? Should I be afraid?


Yes. You're gonna get banned and doxxed.


I cant say I fear those things in all honesty. Ive had worse things happen to me.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Plug in Baby
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1700 - 2014-03-30 17:15:36 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
but if you're too good at it, you'll be banned.


It's incredible how unprofessional CCP are when it comes to the community, they'll ban some players on whim completely inconsistently with any policy, then give massive advantages/gifts to others just because they like them, without out even bothing to pretend it was through some form of quantifiable reason.

Just look at reimbursement, the only important factor is who answers the petition, you'll see people getting SP and ships refunded even when there clearly wasn't a server issue, just because they like them / take pity.

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