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Hi CCP! You can help! We need a MOTD in starter corps!

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Solecist Project
#1 - 2014-03-30 13:30:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Hi!


I'll cut straight to the point.



I'm in CAS right now and it dawned on me, because some player posted his comet fitting. It was a good fitting and made sense, but he had far more options than he knew.

He also didn't know of EFT.



Sooooo....


If you would create MOTDs for all starter corporations,
mentioning EFT as a 3d party fitting tool
for the ability to create imaginary fittings of their likings
to save on ISK and ... well, at NO cost ...

... you'd enable hundreds of people to explore a world that was before unknown to others of their ages,
because until one knows of EFT etc., he has to grind all the money for all the ships and fittings himself ...

... *bbbbrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttthhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee* ...

... which means that creativity and playfullness are being severely limited!



Instead, with EFT, people like me dream up a 10mn AB rifter, (it's a classic!)
sporting 250mm Artillery ... which I've used for a long time. :D


The reason of why I want it to be in the MOTD is simply that this is an effective way
to push it to every single new player. It reaches everybody eventually and is independent
of social interaction or willfull reading of a npe tutorial.



I have a point. It's a good one!



Thanks! :D

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#2 - 2014-03-30 14:21:19 UTC
The problem with that is competition in regards to fitting programs, there's a bunch out there and while prefer EFT that doesn't mean CCP should somehow make it the official program to use. It's just better to plaster RTFM/RTFF/RTFG in size 72 font allover the rookie channel because that's the real issue.
Solecist Project
#3 - 2014-03-30 15:20:29 UTC
That's not really an issue. EFT is the only one that's perfect for quickfit and easy jumping into it.

There can also always be mentioning of the other ones, but EFT makes most sense as it has the least potential to overwhelm people.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Qalix
Long Jump.
#4 - 2014-03-30 15:32:07 UTC
lol, you back solstice?
Solecist Project
#5 - 2014-03-30 15:44:37 UTC
Qalix wrote:
lol, you back solstice?
sssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh :)

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-03-30 16:03:38 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Uhm

And why EFT? Why not Pyfa? Why not EVEHQ? Why not link AURA? Why not link EVEMON?

I agree, there should be a MotD, but not linking to 3rd party stuff as then you have to:

A. Make sure that said program is ALWAYS up to date with your game.
B. Make sure you are not biasing 1 program over others that exist.


But would be nice if for instance there was a MotD link to these forums, the official New Player FAQ, the official wiki etc.


Conclusion:

NO on the EFT part.
Yes on the MotD part.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-03-30 16:06:00 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
That's not really an issue. EFT is the only one that's perfect for quickfit and easy jumping into it.


Uhm..

No, just NO.

There is Pyfa
There is EVEHQ.


Both do what EFT does as good as EFT does (and in my opinion even better).

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#8 - 2014-03-30 16:16:50 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
[quote=Solecist Project]Both do what EFT does as good as EFT does (and in my opinion even better).


That's not true actually. EFT's damage graph is very much superior to any of the other programs, allowing to gain a much better insight in how stuff really works.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#9 - 2014-03-30 16:27:37 UTC
There could be a MOTD linking to newbie help and such but advertising for EVEMon or any other 3rd party programs wouldn't be appropriate for CCP.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-03-30 16:33:18 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
[quote=Solecist Project]Both do what EFT does as good as EFT does (and in my opinion even better).


That's not true actually. EFT's damage graph is very much superior to any of the other programs, allowing to gain a much better insight in how stuff really works.


Too bad that on paper stuff is very different from actual in game events.

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Solecist Project
#11 - 2014-03-30 17:06:28 UTC
lol the hater.

J'Poll indicates that he is unable to properly read my posts and thus can't actually address what he wants to. It's all been pointed out already. If you have any actual objection, feel free to formulate it out.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-03-30 18:37:07 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Solecist Project wrote:
lol the hater.

J'Poll indicates that he is unable to properly read my posts and thus can't actually address what he wants to. It's all been pointed out already. If you have any actual objection, feel free to formulate it out.



HAHAHAHA

I'm not hating, I'm just showing you how stupid your idea is, where the flaws are and you are getting overly defensive on it.

U mad bro?





Solstice, I read your OP, and you just want EFT linked, which can't be done. Because it's a 3rd party tool, one of many that do the same, thus CCP can't favor one over another.

Not to mention that CCP has no control on how accurate a 3rd party tool is around "expansions".
And it isn't uncommon for programs to be discontinued without any form of announcement if suddenly someone finds that he doesn't want to continue (see EVEHQ, which already changed hands a couple of times, and recently nearly was going to be discontinued).

I get your point, and having it "advertised" with all the other beautiful options that are around is a great idea.
The issue is that they can't point out 1 program in a MotD over any other as long as it's now owned by themself.

P.s.

Lol on the thought that people who do NOT read the NPE will actually read a MotD...

If you think that, sorry, but I will leave you in that bubble and won't bust it for you.

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Solecist Project
#13 - 2014-03-30 19:19:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
J'Poll wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
lol the hater.

J'Poll indicates that he is unable to properly read my posts and thus can't actually address what he wants to. It's all been pointed out already. If you have any actual objection, feel free to formulate it out.



HAHAHAHA

I'm not hating, I'm just showing you how stupid your idea is, where the flaws are and you are getting overly defensive on it.

U mad bro?





Solstice, I read your OP, and you just want EFT linked, which can't be done. Because it's a 3rd party tool, one of many that do the same, thus CCP can't favor one over another.

Not to mention that CCP has no control on how accurate a 3rd party tool is around "expansions".
And it isn't uncommon for programs to be discontinued without any form of announcement if suddenly someone finds that he doesn't want to continue (see EVEHQ, which already changed hands a couple of times, and recently nearly was going to be discontinued).

I get your point, and having it "advertised" with all the other beautiful options that are around is a great idea.
The issue is that they can't point out 1 program in a MotD over any other as long as it's now owned by themself.

P.s.

Lol on the thought that people who do NOT read the NPE will actually read a MotD...

If you think that, sorry, but I will leave you in that bubble and won't bust it for you.

Hey, whenever you stop pretending to be an arrogant knowitall *******, I'll be ready to talk to you.


Anyhow.


Yeah, assuming that tools are up2date on day 0 is unrealistic, but also irrelevant. People notice that anyway, so it's not an argument.


Favor. Well ... so be it? Why even give a ****? The coder of whatever doesn't get any free stuff. His program gets exposure and that's exactly what's wanted and needed. This isn't SOMER BLINK.


Having it as MOTD makes sure that the highest amount of people is getting exposed to it every single time they log in. It's a great way to shove information down through anyones throat.

Do you have anything neutral and objective to say too? Something that addresses actual issues? So far, you haven't even tried.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Rubishod
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-03-30 20:42:12 UTC
MotD in rookie corps is a great idea.

Linking to third party tools that I develop would be the best MotD.

Linking to third party tools that you develop is stupid and foolish.
Solecist Project
#15 - 2014-03-30 21:47:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Rubishod wrote:
MotD in rookie corps is a great idea.

Linking to third party tools that I develop would be the best MotD.

Linking to third party tools that you develop is stupid and foolish.


Link to the three ones everybody knows, categorize them as beginners and advanced tools ... done.


But, tbh, if they choose to make this personal although it's clearly not, then it's all their fault anyway. :)

They aren't SOMER BLINK.


Anyhow, I'm glad that we pretty much ALL agree on a MOTD in the starter corps!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#16 - 2014-03-30 22:00:47 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
[quote=Solecist Project]Both do what EFT does as good as EFT does (and in my opinion even better).


That's not true actually. EFT's damage graph is very much superior to any of the other programs, allowing to gain a much better insight in how stuff really works.


Too bad that on paper stuff is very different from actual in game events.


Feel free to point out specific issues.
Solecist Project
#17 - 2014-03-30 22:35:29 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
[quote=Solecist Project]Both do what EFT does as good as EFT does (and in my opinion even better).


That's not true actually. EFT's damage graph is very much superior to any of the other programs, allowing to gain a much better insight in how stuff really works.


Too bad that on paper stuff is very different from actual in game events.


Feel free to point out specific issues.
If you want to discuss about specific implementations which are far away off the topic of this thread,
please do so in your own thread in the specific forum. thank you. :)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-03-30 22:37:33 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
lol the hater.

J'Poll indicates that he is unable to properly read my posts and thus can't actually address what he wants to. It's all been pointed out already. If you have any actual objection, feel free to formulate it out.



He actually has a very reasonable point. There's no way CCP will ever advocate one third party program over another. It's not even a matter of there being a clear "best" option (which there isn't - many people prefer pyfa to EFT). By linking to a third-party program in-game CCP would be implicitly endorsing it's use and would basically become responsible for its functionality, which they have no actual control over. Imagine if the maker(s) of EFT just got bored and decided to stop updating it one day. CCP would get all kinds of complaints about it not working, and it's not even their program. That's a business nightmare and it will never happen.

MOTD? Sure...whatever.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-03-30 22:43:16 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
lol the hater.

J'Poll indicates that he is unable to properly read my posts and thus can't actually address what he wants to. It's all been pointed out already. If you have any actual objection, feel free to formulate it out.



HAHAHAHA

I'm not hating, I'm just showing you how stupid your idea is, where the flaws are and you are getting overly defensive on it.

U mad bro?





Solstice, I read your OP, and you just want EFT linked, which can't be done. Because it's a 3rd party tool, one of many that do the same, thus CCP can't favor one over another.

Not to mention that CCP has no control on how accurate a 3rd party tool is around "expansions".
And it isn't uncommon for programs to be discontinued without any form of announcement if suddenly someone finds that he doesn't want to continue (see EVEHQ, which already changed hands a couple of times, and recently nearly was going to be discontinued).

I get your point, and having it "advertised" with all the other beautiful options that are around is a great idea.
The issue is that they can't point out 1 program in a MotD over any other as long as it's now owned by themself.

P.s.

Lol on the thought that people who do NOT read the NPE will actually read a MotD...

If you think that, sorry, but I will leave you in that bubble and won't bust it for you.

Hey, whenever you stop pretending to be an arrogant knowitall *******, I'll be ready to talk to you.


Anyhow.


Yeah, assuming that tools are up2date on day 0 is unrealistic, but also irrelevant. People notice that anyway, so it's not an argument..


Nope, NEW players won't know if something is out of date or good to use. They are NEW you know, they don't know everything.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-03-30 22:45:41 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Solecist Project wrote:

If you want to discuss about specific implementations which are far away off the topic of this thread,
please do so in your own thread in the specific forum. thank you. :)




HAHAHAHA.

Let's check:

New Citizen Q&A:

Does the OP have a question, nope.

Does the OP come with a suggestion to be added to the game, yes


That belongs in Features and Ideas, not in NCQA


So, stop posting Solstice, and only start posting when you know what to post, where to post it and your ideas start to make sense.

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