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Why don't alliances require you to file taxes?

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Catherine Wolfisheim
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-03-30 08:00:36 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Well there is the 2 mil "tax"/payment for corp per month for any alliance.

Let's be honest, two million ISK is cheap change for the kind of corporations and alliances we are talking about right now.
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2014-03-30 08:00:51 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
...Since a lot of people don't get it, in the USA you have to file an income...


lol who cares?



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Taal Khurin
Acorn Harvesting
#23 - 2014-03-30 08:49:55 UTC
Tax returns in space would just give the EVE-Haters more ammunition hehe.
Goa Chai
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-03-30 09:11:59 UTC
Sure let's have internet spaceship income tax, and while we're at it maybe we should also force people to sign up for a medical clone brokerage service run on a website built by the Goons, and if you refuse you have to pay 10% of your wallet every month to help cover the medical clone costs of bad pvpers who constantly get podded.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#25 - 2014-03-30 09:24:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
EDIT: Misread OP

New answer: This would be stupid and no one would thank you for it

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#26 - 2014-03-30 09:35:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
masternerdguy wrote:
Prince Sanguine wrote:
Well if my income doesn't come from ratting or sites why should I be taxed? I like holding people hostage and making them ransom. It seems like you should join a terribad alliance that makes their corps pay per member just so you can have a massive list of people you can't shoot


I'm not talking about in-game taxes collected by game mechanics, I am asking why no alliance has set up a revenue service and required individual income taxes to be filed by all members or they will be penalized. It seems like good emergent gameplay and a great income source for the alliance.

So you'd have to declare all your ratting, mining, and industry income and pay the appropriate ISK tax each quarter ontop of the in-game corporate level tax mechanic.


The way that works is. Step 1 - pithum a-type invuln field drops. Step 2 - leave corp.

I used to fly in a wormhole corp that stuck all loot into corp and tried to pay a salary. Everyone wound up looking to log on in off times and do private ratting. I'd have suggested that if someone got a really tasty C6 gas to farm, they'd have left corp if found out.

The strategy that actually works is to offer corp contracts for things running a mild corp profit, presuming that corp is going to do some quidpro like buy-back and haul it to market.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#27 - 2014-03-30 09:38:06 UTC
Or try the Finnish version YOU tell at the beginning of the taxation year how much in a year you assume you earn and choose your tax from the income scale and surplus income will be taken at 60% and returned to you near 2 YEARS after right before Christmas.
The tax scale can be changed if you suddenly earn more then you anticipated and should you earn less then anticipated you might be dropped to a lower scale and you get your tax refunds again at Christmas near 2 years later.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-03-30 09:56:34 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
... in the USA you have to file an income tax return with the IRS if you made any money during the year, and the IRS uses this to determine how much you owe them. So why doesn't a nullsec alliance set up their own equivalent and make members fill out tax forms to determine how much ISK they owe the alliance?

maybe because 0.0-sec alliances have no Liberty Statue? Lol

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WASPY69
Xerum.
#29 - 2014-03-30 11:14:21 UTC
But then, who will take on the role of the IRS plebs within the game to come evaluate and seize your assets if you fail to file the tax return and/or refuse? And who is to stop me from pointing my guns straight to their faces telling them to choke on it?

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Catherine Wolfisheim
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-03-30 11:20:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Catherine Wolfisheim
WASPY69 wrote:
But then, who will take on the role of the IRS plebs within the game to come evaluate and seize your assets if you fail to file the tax return and/or refuse? And who is to stop me from pointing my guns straight to their faces telling them to choke on it?

Indeed, nothing, just the possibility of being out-manned, out-gunned and cast out in the middle of a wormhole.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#31 - 2014-03-30 11:27:17 UTC
A new New Order of Taxes

Are your R45s in order?

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"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#32 - 2014-03-30 11:28:50 UTC
There already is tax though...

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Jayne Fillon
#33 - 2014-03-30 15:20:44 UTC
Assuming you meant alliance level tax and not literally tax returns.... I'd much rather they fixed everything else wrong with corporations and alliances first, and then they can work on making everything else super annoying.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-03-30 16:24:39 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
I've never been in a nullsec alliance that required players to do a tax return. It seems like a missed chance at alliance level income for funding SRP.

It wouldn't be that hard to implement, and it would be the kind of emergent gameplay people blog about, so why hasn't anyone done this yet?

EDIT: Since a lot of people don't get it, in the USA you have to file an income tax return with the IRS if you made any money during the year, and the IRS uses this to determine how much you owe them. So why doesn't a nullsec alliance set up their own equivalent and make members fill out tax forms to determine how much ISK they owe the alliance?


Uhm, because EVE is a game, not the USA.

Anyway, USA system is dumb. In Holland you automatically pay tax on your income and at the end of the year you can file for a tax return. Much better to get money back from the government then to pay them even more.

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Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-03-30 16:39:03 UTC
My guess would be 'cause it'd be hard to get folks to join an alliance that does stupid stuff like the OP suggests. (Isn't this guy on the Pay Me Not To Think roll?)

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Serene Repose
#36 - 2014-03-30 16:40:28 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
(Isn't this guy on the Pay Me Not To Think roll?)

Not only that, he's among those who inspired the EVE Forum Yawn Awards

5 Yawns for this thread. yawn yawn yawn yawn yawn

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#37 - 2014-03-30 16:49:09 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
I've never been in a nullsec alliance that required players to do a tax return. It seems like a missed chance at alliance level income for funding SRP.

It wouldn't be that hard to implement, and it would be the kind of emergent gameplay people blog about, so why hasn't anyone done this yet?

EDIT: Since a lot of people don't get it, in the USA you have to file an income tax return with the IRS if you made any money during the year, and the IRS uses this to determine how much you owe them. So why doesn't a nullsec alliance set up their own equivalent and make members fill out tax forms to determine how much ISK they owe the alliance?


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Clementina
University of Caille
#38 - 2014-03-30 17:26:06 UTC
I use to be in a corp that charged a monthly fee based on your rank. New recruits paid 1 mil a month or something, regular members paid more, directors had a higher bracket, and the CEO had the highest bracket. That might be a good way to raise money for corp assets. It worked for the corp I was in.

However the idea of a 'tax return' to be in an alliance is not such a good idea. Such a regime requires a bureaucracy. Alliances barely have enough people who are willing and able and trustworthy enough to be fleet commanders or POS operators. You're not going to find anyone who wants to be a revenuer, least of all anyone who has experience being a revenuer in real life.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#39 - 2014-03-30 17:29:07 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:


Excessive drugs will rot your brain.


But these drugs are juuuussssst riiiighhhht

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Na Und
Galactronics
#40 - 2014-03-30 17:33:09 UTC
If it's a US-based alliance, why doesn't CCP require it to spend 1.50 isk for every 1.00 of isk it receives?
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