Ships & Modules

This should go in "features and ideas discussion." See also: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=303845 in which Fozzie says he "would really like to see a missile focused pirate race at some point."

So, devs are aware of the desire for this to exist and agree it should exist. Only question is when.

There is a Navy alternative. Navy Typhoon.
It doesn't have 'Pirate' bonuses, but it does have decent utility slots available.

I totally support your idea, just pointing out the Phoon if you weren't aware.

I actually dislike the Fleet phoon on the fact that its a higher dps missile ship than the caldari one. Though it lacks the range on missiles, it nearly matches the tank and it also can use heavy drones or sentry which gives a huge dps advantage and utility and realistically no one will use missiles past point range unless shooting a stationary target.

With cruise the phoon still has a huge range and even more dps. CCP should have never made the Phoon a better missile ship over the race that specializes in missiles.

946 dps with t2 cruise with cal navy bcs while the navy phoon 975 dps with a larger alpha and the joys of a set of heavies.

So you are not making 1000 dps without a 6% implant which costs another 250 mil and 250k concord LP or Almost another 500 mil

If you are adding in drone damage, then after 40km, your drones are useless and a Phoon's dps added in with heavies puts it alot more ahead and it can drop a set of sentry and hit out double that range. If you add in 2 turrets in the last high slots, you will be over 1100 dps with no implants, and with arties over 2000 alpha on top of that.
Which it still maintains a very similar tank and a 100mm smaller sig radius and a faster base speed than the raven.

Perhaps you did miss something then?

My apologies... Without implants it's 54 DPS short of 1k mark. It takes two +5 implants to bring it over that magic 1k number.

But I'm still confused as to when did the "demise of the DPS of the Navy Raven" happen? I haven't been playing forever so maybe it had more DPS at one time?

Wait did the Raven Navy Issue get nerfed??

Paper DPS numbers in large missiles do not give the whole picture. The CNR might have the same paper DPS as the Raven or the SNI, but the explo radius bonus makes it hit much harder. The Golem is even better, because it has both an explo vel bonus and an indirect bonus to explo radius (TPs).

BTW, you can actually make an CNR with 1000 paper DPS by using a T2 BLA, a T2 Flare and 4 BCUs (3 CN and one T2). No implants are needed. The Navy Phoon will do 1031 paper from missiles in the same config, but will actually hit for less against most targets.

Regarding a missile based Pirate faction, take a look at this. Its coming.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4279957#post4279957

Fleet Typhoon has 8.25 effective launchers vs every other missile BS's 8.

Damage application difference is somewhat irrelevant as after the rigors/flares and TPs you'll already be hitting cruisers for 100% damage anyway, application bonus or no. That just leaves frigates, which the TFI can blap with sentries while they're inbound, so it doesn't need to waste time using missiles on them. That's not even talking about the extra bonused turrets.

It's silly that the Minmatar navy missile boat has 8.25 launchers, two utility highs (with the option of sticking bonused turrets in there), AND 125m2 of drone space. Most of the Caldari boats lose a bonus slot to a mostly-wasted range bonus, given how far cruises go anyway.

But it's not really a major concern for me anymore anyway. I've given up on missiles and switching over to sentry LMJD sniping for missions, which makes things so much easier. No ammo, no volley counting, still selectable damage (at least somewhat)...

I want near vindi DPS with torps,not cruise. Realistically ccp will never allow that dps at that range, but for a pirate ship using torps, its fair for the cost.

Also where do people get this idea that missiles hit for full damage on everything. A smaller sig already affects damage and speed can reduce damage to 0.

You cant even use t2 torps without automatic reduced damage unless its a cap ship or pos. Yet gun ships use t2 ammo no problem.

How many missile battleships do you see sniping and insta popping frigs and cruisers? None...Yet its easy with guns.

Its not as bad as you claim, I assure you. Also ever use rage torps on a non moving drake? Its hundreds of damage less per shot even with the use of a stealth bomber as compare to faction. Dont even try it with a torp Battleship,

In fact HAM's you cant even hit another cruiser standing still without reduced damage and its a cruiser weapon.
Rockets require dual webs to be fully effective on another frig. Lets not even get into the heavy missile nerf, it was essentially double nerf because CCP buffed the guns after the nerf.

You know what t2 guns do with a BS on a non moving drake? Mauls the crap out of it for full damage.
You can do it with a cruiser and destroyer as well, frigs are toast with a web and scram.


Must be nice.

If missiles are so great why is it that they are so little used in pvp? Aside for some in faction frig/destroyer warfare and even gun users are whining about missile success in that area. Rapid missile launchers are garbage on top of that.

You must be one of those nerf the drake people when it was the tank that made it effective, not the weapon system.