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Nick The HITMAN
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-03-30 06:14:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Nick The HITMAN
Hello People,
i'm trying to fit relatively cheap CNR. The fits differ in AB and MJD. Any suggestions are welcome.

The strange thing is that on paper CNR deals same amount of DMG as my standart Raven. So i'm in doubt should i even fit CNR.

Thanks in advance, cheers !

[Raven Navy Issue, Raven Navy MJD]

Co-Processor II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Sensor Booster II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Micro Jump Drive
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 800

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II


Hobgoblin II x5
Warden I x3


[Raven Navy Issue, Raven Navy AfterBurner]

Co-Processor II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
100MN Afterburner II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
X-Large Shield Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II


Hobgoblin II x5
Warden I x3
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#2 - 2014-03-30 06:28:46 UTC
You are spending close to 600mil isk for the hull alone, so the least you can do is try to T2 your rigs.

Nick The HITMAN
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-03-30 06:31:27 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
You are spending close to 600mil isk for the hull alone, so the least you can do is try to T2 your rigs.




I will do that, no problem.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#4 - 2014-03-30 08:09:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
- don't fit ASB on your mission ship, the tank looks really cool but the reload is going to get you killed and the cost of running it is unnecessarily high

- you can't fit 3 T2 rigors, fit 2 T2 rigors and 1 T2 flare

- don't omnitank your ship, you might save 10 seconds per mission to not have to swap resists but your tank suffers greatly for it resulting in you having to be careful costing WAY more time than those initial 10 seconds

- don't go MJD only, I realise that it sounds like cool to jump around and being far away from stuff will lower the need for tank but you're actually wasting time that way. Fit AB, a CNR is pretty fast tbh and it'll work a lot better

- with those rigs there's zero need for painters. Also if your plan is to snipe from range using your MJD; painters have trouble working outside 40km so you can never tell how many volleys you'll need to kill something, which WILL mess up your timing when being at long range, costing you time


Have a look here, if you'd use faction BCS you can swap the co-pro for a backup array.

[Raven Navy Issue, LVL 4 Cheap]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

100MN Afterburner II
Caldari Navy Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Hobgoblin II x5
Warden II x3
Chris Winter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-03-30 09:35:29 UTC
Yes, on paper CNR and normal Raven both have 8 effective launchers, so they'll do the same paper dps. Navy raven's advantage is in its tank and application bonus.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-03-30 12:04:47 UTC
CNR has more Alpha, and better damage application by nature. Properly fit u alpha standard cruisers and 2 shot (max 3) elite cruisers in missions.

i linked it before thats how i run its an ultra tight fit.

[Raven Navy Issue, mission_cheap]

8x Cruise Missile Launcher II (Inferno Fury Cruise Missile)

Large Micro Jump Drive
X-Large Clarity Ward Booster I
Domination EM Ward Amplifier
Domination Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Heavy Capacitor Booster II (Cap Booster 800)

Internal Force Field Array I
4x Ballistic Control System II

2x Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II

5x Hammerhead II
1x Hammerhead II
5x Hobgoblin II
3x Hobgoblin II
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-03-30 12:12:49 UTC
Personally i use 3 BCU and 2 drone damage amps and let the drones take care of the small stuff

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Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#8 - 2014-03-30 14:33:02 UTC
Yes Nick, the CNR and Raven (along with the Navy Scorp and Golem) can have the same dps (if fitted similar). However, their volleys are much different. My Raven does 984 dps with 6060 volley, my CNR does 984 dps with 8080 volley. (T2 launchers, fury, 4 Caldari BCUs, and implants) Some guys get even more.

Question: You're trying to go cheap with your fit, but then why do you use T2 rigs? Caldari BCUs go for about 100m, T2 Rigors go for about 110m, and T2 Flares go for about 150m.

I go with the Caldari BCUs because they each give 12.5% damage, and save me 16 each on the CPU. Maybe you wouldn't have to fit that Co-Processor. In that fifth slot you then could put a Damage Control or a Signal Booster.

I have trouble fitting the CNR the way I want, and the way I should be able to. I have the skills, but CCP short-changed the CNR when it allowed the 8th launcher. So now I just use a Golem. I should be able to fit the CNR with 4 more launchers with the same fit I do with the Golem. (But all those thoughts are for another post.)

2 T1 rigors, and one T1 flare are good enough, (especially if you want to go cheap).

-Kirst


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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#9 - 2014-03-31 03:04:34 UTC
Nick The HITMAN wrote:
i'm trying to fit relatively cheap CNR. The fits differ in AB and MJD. Any suggestions are welcome.

Honestly, if your criteria is to go the cheap route I'd stick with the Raven and T1 rigs (3 Rigors are better than 2 Rigors and a Flare). The gentlemen with the suggestion for the two Drone Damage Amplifiers has the right idea. Even without the Navy Raven's explosion radius bonus, you can switch to Precision for basically the same end result. MJD and MWD, because the afterburner is just to slow. Personally, I like the Navy Scorpion better because it has an insane tank.

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Nick The HITMAN
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-04-01 06:37:44 UTC
Thank you all very much for the help and suggestions.
I think i made my mind what i'm going to do.

thanks again, cheers