Science & Industry

What they got mostly right:

New shaders for CQ and ships.

Raven

Nebulas are nice (but still borked)



What they got wrong:

New PI.

New Battlecruisers.



A market implosion:

This new system effectively ends PI in high and low sec. Consider: the profit on a given, refined, PI item is approx 25%, assuming you bought the materials. Current taxes on these are now 22% to 50% of the market value. This means that at current time, you're looking at a 3% profit to a 25% loss. Even if you produce all your items on one planet, you're talking a 50% hit, and then another 10% or so sales tax and you see where this is going.

This means that PI in high sec is no longer profitable in any meaningful way. Even if you turn a profit in the long run, msot of your isk becomes tied up in merchandise rather then as funds.

The fact that the new POCOs are destructible AND extremely expensive for what they do virtually guarantees that low sec griefers will make them priority targets (several groups are already recruiting for just this) particularly since they do not shoot back.

While it's nice to see WH and nullsec boosted, again, this is going to have a wide spread and long lasting destabilizing effect on the T2 market. And, by destabilizing, I mean 'Do you remember when HACs were 250m to half a billion each? and a T2 cargo expander was 100m? Welcome back.'

I mean, seriously, they told me you guys had an economist on staff. What, was he on vacation during the planning of this?

The best part is that the rate is tied to a possibly fluctuating number. This means that passing the cost along to the customer is counter productive, as rising prices will also increase the taxes you pay on it. Effectively, it fixes a percentage of profit you will be allowed to make. Hardly 'sandbox' there CCP.


Tier 3 battlecruisers:


I ran the numbers on the Oracle and compared it to the Armageddon, a personal favorite of mine, and compared them. Before anyone freaks out, I know that one is a BC and one a BB. The reason I did so is that the geddon was the closest in cost to produce to the Oracle.

DPS: Armageddon (marginally without drones)
Cost to produce: Armageddon is cheaper, despite the Oracle not requiring nox
Survivability: Armageddon has vastly better tank
Speed: Oracle without any fitting. Armageddon fitted.
Agility: Oracle.

So, I have to ask now, what's the point of these things? As snipers they're totally eclipsed by the Tier 3 battleships. Against other cruisers or battlecruisers they're eaten alive, even by non-damage boosted ships like the Prophecy. I suppose with the cap ship HP nerf they might work, but I'm not going to bet the farm on it, they use a heavy alpha strike, meaning the Amarr ships with heavy resist bonuses will shrug it off.

Other then looking good, I really don't see their role. They're unappealing to PvP compared with other BCs or BBs, due to cost to produce and fragility, and they don't have much of a role for mission runners or ratters due to their poor survivability.

About the Tier 3 BS. You don't use them as snipers. You use them as boats with pure Spank n' Gank.

That being said, for lulz and some EFT warrioring, the Oracle can fit a full rack of Mega Tachyon Iis.

Don't think the Armageddon can.

That doesn't make any sense though, we already have ships that can do that better for less.

And, yes, you can, but it's range is so short that one on one, it'd die before it got off it's second volley against a geddon.

If you're fitting a tach II boat, you're better to take a bunch of drakes. You'll come close to the dps for half as much isk.

What the heck are mega tachyons? Really?

Could as well be Mega pulses or mega beams :/

Fail. Because prices on PI materials are fixed and will not rise at all now when it has gotten more expensive to create, so PI in highsec will never again be profitable. If prices rise to any extreme levels, I think PI would become so profitable, everyone would start doing it. People will always do what there is profit in doing. That's why, even if prices will rise a bit, and perhaps be a little unstable in the beginning, I don't think anything major is going to change. Also, people are going to grow tired of shooting POCOs as soon as they realise it's about half as fun as shooting at a POS.

My point is, just give it some time and it'll be fine, better than before, even.

That was sarcasm by the way (the thing about the fixed prices), if I have to mention it. I won't waste my time explaining what I mean again though. Just move along, continue to preach about the end of the world.

They should have changed the base price a year ago. They were still taxing as if coolant was worth 3k or something. Most of this increase in taxes for PI can be related to the jump in gas prices a few years ago. The prices hadnt really changed for 10 years or more so then when an event force them to changed, they moved up by the amount of the event, plus the overall amount they should have gone up over time. So most of that 1000% people are crying about is because you had been being given a free ride for a couple years as the price of the good increased but the price index stayed the same.

You're assuming that CCP will re-index the price average every so often. They have not said that they will or won't. They may choose to only re-index quarterly or annually. Or never.

My numbers had nothing to do with the market price, it's the price to produce. Take out a BPO on tranquility for a Oracle and compare it to the BPO for a Armageddon. You may notice that the Oracle actually requires more mins to build then the Armageddon at the same ME. I wasn't talking market conditions at all. It was strictly the real cost of construction per unit.

As far as the untankable nanoship item, even with 8 Tach Beam IIs, it's not happening, the ship has too few lows and meds to make it viable as a nanoship, dps is too low. Amusingly enough, one on one, that domi would spank it.

And, again, i ask, what's the point of the ship? It's cheaper to build 8 Armageddons then to build 8 of these.





The problem with this is that if they do not, it fails to function as intended at all, it simply raises the price of T2 overall and squeezes out new players.