Intergalactic Summit

An understandable and - from a specific point of view - a reasonable explanation for PYRE's actions as middle-men in the biomass trade with Nation. Who couldn't understand a militant KK-loyal corp judging the value of life of one ethnic group as being less than that of their own?

Of course, Gallente 'pirates' aren't the only people PYRE is profiting from in the Nation biomass trade.

I have to agree with the straight statement... But in the analogy of sand castles, perhaps if the majority of Pyre put in face time doing something other than kicking at everyone else's, people would have enough respect to hear them out without responding in kind. Personally, I'm not interested in castles or medals, but rather the precarious position of a dear friend caught between his sense of duty and decisions he had no real say in. I care not at all what happens to the rest.

The point of the thread was to state what ships one prefers to pilot and why, with a decidedly nationalist bent to the discussion being established from the original post.

It's been gloriously derailed into an argument over the human fallibility and perceived hypocrisy of Mr. Tuulinen and his PYRE colleagues. Mixed with a healthy measure of KK/Ishukone antagonism which seems to be flavour of the month in the Summit currently. Sandcastles past or present are always fair game in such circumstances.

Alright, let me get my PR hat on.

No one asked to keep this quiet. Our opinion on this matter should be pretty clear and has not changed - it also was offered to the offended party when this initially made the rounds in a direct conversation. We do not give a frakk about your opinions, hurt feelings or whacked over imaginary sandcastles. If you think all this acting outraged will change anything you're sadly mistaken, and this was the very same observation that was discussed internally when thinking about 'what if' scenarios. We do not act based on what will give us most points in the court of public opinion, but what we consider the right way to deal with difficult circumstances. You're free to disagree with the paths chosen, but it's our way and not yours, so gently frakk yourselves.
One can always rely on the cognitive dissonance inherent in the majority of people frequenting this esteeemed area of galnet to utterly miss the point, forget things within 12 hours and blabber away on utterly redundant train of thoughts that tend to dissociate more from reality with every sentence typed, as showcased by switching seamlessly from screaming bloody murder over perceived moral crimes against humanity to complaining about the past's hurt pride and back again, as if the only valuable thing in the world is not the just now guarded innocence of life, but also the sanctity of a wounded ego.


In case this was too long and you didn't want to read it, have it your way:
We do not give a frakk about what you think.

Well said.

With your statement in mind can you confirm then that PYRE's trade of 152 former employees, at least some of whom were Caldari, to a Nation-loyal corporation in October YC115 was the "right way to deal with difficult circumstances"? Nation is still regarded as an enemy by the State and the megacorp that PYRE professes loyalty to, is it not? Has PYRE formally cut its past political and corporate links?

And if you're up to explaining it, what exactly were the "difficult circumstances" which prevented you recommending these former employees to either a Protectorate or State loyal corporation as an alternative?

Mr. Mintor, you've identified one of my concerns with this arrangement. Beyond merely making a deal with the devil, PYRE has exposed itself to contamination and subversion by the Sansha, and has accepted numerous potential Sansha agents back into the corporate fold. The security risk that PYRE is exposing themselves and the State to-- it's mind-boggling, to be honest. I think they've blinded themselves with their chant of 'we're doing the unseemly to serve the State.'

Kyasura-haani, precisely.

Sometimes, I feel as if the style of my langage is difficult to understand outside of the Kingdom, and I an required to re-phrase things to make myself better understood.

Of course some can disregard this issue, blaming translators, but my time in null has taught me a touch about simplifying my laungage to be better understood by the amazing collection of people of all races I call brothers and sisters, and so hopefully I can use this skill here, today. Unforunately, it has also removed some of the veneer of my eterenal politeness.

Everyone knows decisions made will effect how we are viewed by other capsuleers. Once one has signed a contract with the CFC, they learn to accept certain things in regards to prejudiced opinions against them, regardless of their demenaor, personality, and history.

I certainly get invited to far fewer parties, as if the presence of a single unarmed Capsuleer once allowed to even perform patriotic music in celebration of the event she attended coud lead to the downfall of an alliance.

Strange, that.

Pyre Falcon Defense and the Combine has always been a corporation and an alliance of actions, not of words. If one is observant enough, their mission statement has always been rather clear. They are military contractors. They will bloody their hands to defend the hands of the clean. They will take on the sins themsleves so that others can stay innocent. They are, truly, what Capsuleers have always been meant to be. They are killing machines. They are the tool to do the dirty work, and they take this heavy duty with neither complaint nor hubris.

What is bothering me, and has been leaking into several threads in the Intergalactic Summit like an oozing sore, is the malcontent of certain individuals that PYRE are doing things that are "not approved of" by the general community. This persecution, which it may surprise people to know is rather ineffectual to the corportaion who is the target of it, is getting tedious to watch.

I have been seeing it for months; in fact, I was nearly drawn into this 'investigation' myself, given 'evidence' of their 'horrific wrongdoing' -- when anyone with skills in math who knows what a POS layout is would state that the decision being drawn from this HUD image was a lie -- one that was still repeatedly inistsed on as an absolute truth, as if somehow, the questioner knew without doubt, even though the evidence did not support it.

But those lies persisted. How strange is that? Strangely, even more 'facts' starting coming to light that came from no source, no person, no computer, nothing, and they were treated as the most high truths. How is that possible from Capsuleers, the most paranoid humans in the psychological spectrum, to take things with no proof visible in New Eden as Scripture-like truth? Unles they themselves were the true criminals, I daesay with the highest of sarcasm that they must have been mind readers or omincient.

One can argue that in the end, here lies the confession in this very thread, and therefore all of those 'facts' were true regardless of their conspiuously missing sources, and the inquisition of Pyre Falcon that has gone on for months to the point of nearly cruel harrassment of their members has been therefore fully justified.

I will argue that all of those who have participated in this persecution have created a self fulfilling prophecy, like an fellow putting an umbrella over everyone's head and then claiming the sun went missing until nightfall, and only then removing the umbrellas to show their 'truth'. [[The translator seems to be having issues with this euphemism]]

I ask -- where did all these umbrellas come from?

Because I suspect they didn't come from the New Eden Cluster.

Before anyone begins to point out the crimes of Pyre Defense Combine and that my defending them certainly must make me 'just as evil'-- after all, I am defending them, so therefore by some illogical jump of a conclusion I must also support TS-F, I will point out that PYRE has attempted something that no one else has dared. They have not only attempted. They have succeeded.

They have succeeded and opened lines of communications in which the benefits outweigh the risks with Nation Loyalists.

Anyone who thinks this is impossble grossly underestimates the intelligence of the CEO of Pyre Falcon.

And before anyone cries that regardless it all proves PYRE Falcon are working with the enemy, I would like to be shown something.

I want to see your war reports.

I want to see your after action reports.

I want to see where the accusers have lifted a finger and have done anything more than blow hot hair into the Intergalactic Summit about people they claim are 'enemies' -- because as far as I can see, no one has declared war on these "Capsuleers with different beliefs" in the past four years.

Spare the excuses about CONCORD, war laws, and etcetera, or go ahead -- prove me right. Show me killmails. Show me where you have truly put yourself on the line for your convictions. Please. Restore my faith in Empire.

TS-F are Capsuleers.

You are Capsuleers.

If you don't like someone, go out into space, find them, and wage war against them. This is our born purpose as an Informorph. Start acting like you are worthy of the ISK that went into making you.

Ms. Kernher, I wonder then, to what lengths would your esteemed persons go to retrieve or rescue your own people from the clutches of your apparent enemy. What deals would you make to retrieve your brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, sons, and daughters from the gaping maw of your enemy? What dark sacrifices would you make and hard truths would you accept to see the safe return of those you claim to care for?

If your responses thus far are any indication, then I fear for the safety of your crews.

Your unwillingness to compromise for the good of your own people speaks volumes about you as a person, and your views on human life. Your pride so dictates your actions that you are willing to abandon your friends and comrades to the Sansha than allow your own pride to be tarnished.

Furthermore, your abandonment only strengthens them, not weakens.

Or perhaps it is just that you have not been tested? I pray that you should not find yourself in their position and be found wanting.

Batches of returnees were examined most thoroughly by Scherezad-haani for any trace of infection. What steps were taken in addition to these by the host corporations is unknown to me.

What I am certain of is that they are heroes who deserve another chance at life.

Once upon a time I would have offered to make a sample of returnees available for testing. Given the hyperbole and casual insults I am less than inclined to be cooperative in this matter.

Imma get torched for this...

I can't vouch for the rest, but Pieter has made his own scans of retrievals available to me when this first came up. They're clean, head to toe.

I don't give a plugged kredit about the rest, and I've no idea of the condition of any other retrievals... But that, and him, I'll stand by.