These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

First post First post First post
Author
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#1601 - 2014-03-29 22:58:41 UTC
True to my word I have asked the questions posed to me by Lucas earlier. Well - to be honest I asked the one that mattered regarding the TOS/EULA.

He didn't want to out of principle. I tried to be as balanced as possible.

Aaaaaaand relax.

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1602 - 2014-03-29 23:09:12 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Jayem See wrote:


That response was almost as late as the minutes! Good job!


I was out for a while in this thing called the real world.

Over rated.

Actually I am trying to get out of here but I have so much time invested I keep feeling like I am drawn back in involuntarily.

m


Come on why do you have a RL?? I want you to only have a life in game so when I destroy your ship you're reduced to tears as I destroyed everything that meant anything to you!
Katkon Darnok
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1603 - 2014-03-29 23:18:58 UTC
I've read the announcement from CCP and feel much like I do after listening to a presidential speech: some obviously "right" things were said, but I have literally no idea what actions, if any, are behind the words. So in the very specific case involving 2 players, I can't speak to the outcome. The announcement feels like a total non-event to me.
Liese Shardani
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1604 - 2014-03-30 00:00:46 UTC
Are a lot of messages getting deleted or something? I've been an EVE player for a couple of years, but this is my first full week actually posting on the forums.
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1605 - 2014-03-30 00:05:50 UTC
Yup. Posts are definiately going bye-bye. Must be some trolls getting cleaned up.

I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.

For the ISK and the yarr!

H aVo K
Tycheon Industries
#1606 - 2014-03-30 00:08:20 UTC
Liese Shardani wrote:
Are a lot of messages getting deleted or something? I've been an EVE player for a couple of years, but this is my first full week actually posting on the forums.


Yup... I was on page 85, went to another site for an hour, and then clicked "back" ... only to find out that nearly 3 pages worth of posts had gone poof.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1607 - 2014-03-30 00:17:00 UTC
Tor Norman wrote:
Yup. Posts are definiately going bye-bye.


Damn! Some of my finest work was in here. Ah well... easy come, easy go.

Mr Epeen Cool
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#1608 - 2014-03-30 01:11:26 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Liese Shardani wrote:
Are a lot of messages getting deleted or something? I've been an EVE player for a couple of years, but this is my first full week actually posting on the forums.
First, welcome to the forumBig smile
Second, yes:

I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

The rules:
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.


5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#1609 - 2014-03-30 02:06:08 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
I do partly agree, but when a person loses their temper they lose their inhibitions too revealing the real them


False.

When someone, anyone, loses their temper, they behave in a manner that is not the "real" them.

Or are you trying to claim that everyone who is not in a state of losing their temper, is not the real them?

DERP!

Are you not real until you are angry?


When people are calm and collected they exhibit more self control and behave in socially acceptable ways, when they lose that self control and rage out that's the point at which everything they say is true or designed to intimidate or coerce. The fact that someone uses racist language in temper in an attempt to coerce the other persons into capitulating to their demands proves that they are racist and hold racist views, otherwise they wouldn't use them.

This is what I mean when i say that you get to see the real person when they lose their temper, you see the ugly side of them that they normally hide in everyday life. It might be ugly but it's still a side of them.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#1610 - 2014-03-30 02:09:22 UTC
H aVo K wrote:
Liese Shardani wrote:
Are a lot of messages getting deleted or something? I've been an EVE player for a couple of years, but this is my first full week actually posting on the forums.


Yup... I was on page 85, went to another site for an hour, and then clicked "back" ... only to find out that nearly 3 pages worth of posts had gone poof.


Whole threads have gone missing today. I have no opinion on the merits of those moderation decisions however, just pointing it out for the record.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#1611 - 2014-03-30 02:10:29 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
What I find most vile in all of this is Ripard Tegs underhanded approach to it all.

If you don't like Erotica1 and what she did, fair enough. But to abuse his privileged position to push for an individual user to be banned, and then to write a highly inflammatory piece - one which resorts to hysterics and evocations of literal torture - and spreading it around news media when CCP didn't agree with him... that's just revolting on so many levels.

ban ripard teg


+1

Politicians eh.


-1

People with nothing to add eh.


Lol eh +2

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Winchester Steele
#1612 - 2014-03-30 02:46:50 UTC
I don't know about all this harassment nonsense, but I will say unequivocally that Ripard Teg should be banned for his part in this.
For a CSM to purposely incite a witch hunt against another player by using loaded and slanderous terminology in a highly polemical blog is unacceptable and morally reprehensible.

I am shocked and dismayed that CCP has let this person so aggressively promote their own personal agenda, even to their own detriment.

I am also disappointed that CCP has such a double standard whereby a CSM member is able to write a venomous, libelous blog that literally resulted in another player receiving death threats and harassment and receives no punishment, while this player, who broke NO rules and was operating on a third party program gets permanently banned.

I thought the CSM were supposed to represent the community? Ripard knew the damage he would cause, not only to CCP, but to the victim of his hate filled, slanderous blog post. Should our CSM not be held to a higher standard?

If Ripard had a problem with Erotica 1 he should have done what every other player in this game must do: file a petition.

This isn't about whether or not you found Erotica 1 or the bonus room distasteful. This is about consistency and fair application of policy from CCP, whether the player has a CSM tag or no.



Ban Ripard Teg!

...

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1613 - 2014-03-30 02:49:40 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
I do partly agree, but when a person loses their temper they lose their inhibitions too revealing the real them


False.

When someone, anyone, loses their temper, they behave in a manner that is not the "real" them.

Or are you trying to claim that everyone who is not in a state of losing their temper, is not the real them?

DERP!

Are you not real until you are angry?


When people are calm and collected they exhibit more self control and behave in socially acceptable ways, when they lose that self control and rage out that's the point at which everything they say is true or designed to intimidate or coerce. The fact that someone uses racist language in temper in an attempt to coerce the other persons into capitulating to their demands proves that they are racist and hold racist views, otherwise they wouldn't use them.

This is what I mean when i say that you get to see the real person when they lose their temper, you see the ugly side of them that they normally hide in everyday life. It might be ugly but it's still a side of them.


When I lose it I might smash your head into the ground until you need to be hospitalized, but I would never use a racial or sexist slur while I was doing it.

Strange but true.

We are a really ****** up species.

Mr Epeen Cool
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#1614 - 2014-03-30 03:38:49 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
I...

This isn't about whether or not you found Erotica 1 or the bonus room distasteful. This is about consistency and fair application of policy from CCP, whether the player has a CSM tag or no.



Nope, CCP don't have to be consistent or fair or just or moral or ethical or even right, they can do what they want in this.
This is their call and they can change the rules to suit their business. I remember Helicity Boson saying to CCP "I'm gonna come down on you like a ton of bricks if..."FWOOP gone.
That's how it should be, any consistency or pressure to be so could be gamed to their detriment.



Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Asia Leigh
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#1615 - 2014-03-30 04:09:01 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
Danalee wrote:
I'll try again:

We all know shadoo's outburst.
He humiliated a player and called him among other things a ******.
IF at that time a CSM would have had an axe to grind and blogged about it you can bet your bottom dollar he'd have no problems finding a couple dozen forum trolls to start a threadnaught.
What I know now from what is happened is that CCP would have banned him. Rightly so, the video even has ingame footage, no doubt it happened in EVE online, not on some teamspeak server where they have no control over.

Or do you think they wouldn't have?

D.

Bear


Straws. You are grasping at.


Grasping at what straws? Was that guy banned or not? And if not why?
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Asia Leigh
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#1616 - 2014-03-30 04:15:54 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Liese Shardani wrote:
Are a lot of messages getting deleted or something? I've been an EVE player for a couple of years, but this is my first full week actually posting on the forums.
First, welcome to the forumBig smile
Second, yes:

I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

The rules:
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.


5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.


Lets be serious though, you could nuke this entire thread and the whole threadnaut for trolling and personal attacks. Just saying...
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1617 - 2014-03-30 04:37:29 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
So let me get this straight, a very famous EvE Online blogger that's also a member of the CSM used his influence and power to start a witch-hunt on another player, for something that happened outside of the game that he condemns. In is moral high ground blog he harassed and persecuted the player, until a shitstorm thread started on the EvE Online forums, where he continued the witchcraft trial. The thread was closed and the player got banned.

This makes total sense to me...
I prefer to think of it as he made the player base aware of what a raging psychopath was up to in the game we all play.

But sure, if you prefer the term witch hunt, then whatever.

Mr Epeen Cool
The player base was well aware of this situation before hand, there werere threads about it before. And remember, the "victim" of this particular case stated clearly that he didn't think E1 should be banned and that he was well aware it was his choices and his words, and that he'd just lost his temper at the time. So yes, witch hunt.

Teg has some kind of stick up his ass about E1 and decided to take out his personal issues on hi. He should be dropped from the CSM. A CSM hold an awful lot of power, since so many people will blindly support him in whatever he says just because he's a CSM so they feel that's what they are supposed to do. Picking up a personal vendetta against a player is unfair and he should be responsible by addressing issues in private with CCP if he has them.

Given I wasn't going to vote for CSM because I thought they were all useless and now I'd gladly vote for Teg I think you're incorrect.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Onyx Nyx
The Veldspar Protectorate
#1618 - 2014-03-30 04:52:05 UTC
I have been told truly terrible things in local whenever I have been flying a falcon or something else that attracts rage. The unkind words directed at me has caused me great distress, tears, nightmares, sleep deprivation and even thoughts of suicide.

With this official statement from CCP, can I fully expect CCP to punish these evildoers? Because I am about to go test that in practice by ganking some miner and see much they care about the rules of society afterwards.

I kill kittens, and puppies and bunnies. I maim toddlers and teens and then more.

  • Richard (http://www.lfgcomic.com/)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1619 - 2014-03-30 05:09:21 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
I don't know about all this harassment nonsense, but I will say unequivocally that Ripard Teg should be banned for his part in this.
For a CSM to purposely incite a witch hunt against another player by using loaded and slanderous terminology in a highly polemical blog is unacceptable and morally reprehensible.

I am shocked and dismayed that CCP has let this person so aggressively promote their own personal agenda, even to their own detriment.

I am also disappointed that CCP has such a double standard whereby a CSM member is able to write a venomous, libelous blog that literally resulted in another player receiving death threats and harassment and receives no punishment, while this player, who broke NO rules and was operating on a third party program gets permanently banned.

I thought the CSM were supposed to represent the community? Ripard knew the damage he would cause, not only to CCP, but to the victim of his hate filled, slanderous blog post. Should our CSM not be held to a higher standard?

If Ripard had a problem with Erotica 1 he should have done what every other player in this game must do: file a petition.

This isn't about whether or not you found Erotica 1 or the bonus room distasteful. This is about consistency and fair application of policy from CCP, whether the player has a CSM tag or no.



Ban Ripard Teg!

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1620 - 2014-03-30 05:16:13 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Tor Norman wrote:
Yup. Posts are definiately going bye-bye.


Damn! Some of my finest work was in here. Ah well... easy come, easy go.

Mr Epeen Cool

Your posts should still be on eve-search.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)