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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Vara Vampira
Fwehman Brothers Holdings
#1481 - 2014-03-29 19:03:36 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
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Tell you what.

Right up your questions, and address them to CCP directly.


they tend to say " nope" and lock them because they know they were in the wrong. doing so is futile
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#1482 - 2014-03-29 19:05:03 UTC
Vara Vampira wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Mikhem wrote:
Hot topic of this week seems to be Erotica 1 ban and I decided to listen this audio file through about it. It seems that victim could have dyslexia and it was abused alot. Dyslexia means difficulty to read. I found relevant internet links for reading about this incident. This audio file was kind of sad to listen through.

...truncated...

Victim has made two forum posts and here is link to his profile containing links to these posts.
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/sohkar
And to quote the "victim" in this case:
Sohkar wrote:
I dont think erotica 1 should be banned but just because of that i dont think what he did was 100% right but i choose to do what i did and i said what i said he didnt tell me to say it.
So if even the "victim" has stated Erotica 1 should not be banned, how can people still not see that this is CCP responding to a CSM members personal vendetta and the outcry of the public, not the needs of the "victim"?

Let's drop the act. We all know why I keep pushing for answers and why we will never get any. This has got nothing to do with rules against harassment, it's PR, plain and simple. A CSM member started a witch hunt, the community got stirred up into a rage shitstorm and CCP buckled to public pressure to save face.



It just shows CCP will cave to the masses despite whats right or wrong.


Bro, have you heard of this thing called "ganking" it is a rage inducing, tear duct stimulating practice conducted by a group of players for the purpose of fun and/or profit. It is non-consensual pvp, that is what Eve is about. Pvp is everywhere even the forums.

You just got forum ganked.

I was not in the "ban E1 crowd" I thought he could be given a warning. Now, I'm not so sure, there are a lot of deviant minds on this forum, some of you need a wake up call. This game isn't the place for you to get off on humiliation and degradation if you want that get married. Blow up ships, scam, collect tears, laugh at your victims just keep it classy.

While I was not for E1 getting banned, watching you internet tough guys whine and cry is providing me with a guilty pleasure.






It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1483 - 2014-03-29 19:05:11 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Look, Lucas, you know my character hates your character with a passion, ingame but what you are doing here on the forums deserves not only mad props but also very much respect.
I did get that impression, and thanks :D

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#1484 - 2014-03-29 19:05:14 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
The rule is the same as it's always been.

You push CCP's buttons and you get stomped. Happens all the time. From locked posts to perma-bans.

There's no ambiguity here. Just butt hurt on a massive scale by whiners that like to play 'what if' games. Outliers are not the norm in this game. And neither is common sense, apparently.

Mr Epeen Cool
The ambiguity comes with how far into third party services the rules extend. Previously this was "not at all" as clearly stated by GMs. Now, it's clear that has changed. So what has it changed to?


I've already answered this for you several times. You don't like my answers so you keep asking the same thing. Ask CCP via a petition / ticket and see how it comes back.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Salvos Rhoska
#1485 - 2014-03-29 19:06:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Vara Vampira wrote:
they tend to say " nope" and lock them because they know they were in the wrong. doing so is futile


CCP Falcon said:
CCP Falcon wrote:
As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.


So just write up your questions in a clear and concise manner.
I would recommend a numbered format.
The more intelligible and well-considered your list of questions is, the more likely they are to answer it.
Put some time into it, and make it "easy" for them to read through it and answer.

And then address them to CCP directly here in this thread.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1486 - 2014-03-29 19:06:26 UTC
Vara Vampira wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
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Tell you what.

Right up your questions, and address them to CCP directly.


they tend to say " nope" and lock them because they know they were in the wrong. doing so is futile


Don't feed that little troll, especially not with posts that make sense... It's like throwing water on a gremlin while feeding him after 10PM.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1487 - 2014-03-29 19:07:12 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
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Tell you what.

Write up your questions, and address them to CCP directly.

You are asking people who try to answer them, but are not actually in any position to do so.
Hence, everything they answer, is just their opinion.

Write em up and address them to CCP.
Or... I can continue to post them here. That way, CCP gets to read them, other players get to read them, you get to read them and I get to continue my right to freedom of speech. I think I'll go with my option, but honestly, thanks very much for the kind suggestion.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Salvos Rhoska
#1488 - 2014-03-29 19:09:11 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Don't feed that little troll, especially not with posts that make sense... It's like throwing water on a gremlin while feeding him after 10PM.]


NO U

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#1489 - 2014-03-29 19:09:37 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
The rule is the same as it's always been.

You push CCP's buttons and you get stomped. Happens all the time. From locked posts to perma-bans.

There's no ambiguity here. Just butt hurt on a massive scale by whiners that like to play 'what if' games. Outliers are not the norm in this game. And neither is common sense, apparently.

Mr Epeen Cool


Epeen, can I call you that?

I just want to say that I wish I had your ability to push it in so far and do it in so few words. You have a gift my friend. A gift! Big smile

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1490 - 2014-03-29 19:10:56 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
The rule is the same as it's always been.

You push CCP's buttons and you get stomped. Happens all the time. From locked posts to perma-bans.

There's no ambiguity here. Just butt hurt on a massive scale by whiners that like to play 'what if' games. Outliers are not the norm in this game. And neither is common sense, apparently.

Mr Epeen Cool
The ambiguity comes with how far into third party services the rules extend. Previously this was "not at all" as clearly stated by GMs. Now, it's clear that has changed. So what has it changed to?
I've already answered this for you several times. You don't like my answers so you keep asking the same thing. Ask CCP via a petition / ticket and see how it comes back.
No thanks, I'll continue to ask here. I'm not sure which of your answers you think was *the answer*, so if you could drop a link, that would be awesome. In addition to that I'll continue to ask others and debate this as I am fully within my rights to do so. But to you as well, thanks for the suggestion, I do appreciate you looking out for me and ensuring I have a clear idea of my options.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Salvos Rhoska
#1491 - 2014-03-29 19:11:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Lucas Kell wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
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Tell you what.

Write up your questions, and address them to CCP directly.

You are asking people who try to answer them, but are not actually in any position to do so.
Hence, everything they answer, is just their opinion.

Write em up and address them to CCP.
Or... I can continue to post them here. That way, CCP gets to read them, other players get to read them, you get to read them and I get to continue my right to freedom of speech. I think I'll go with my option, but honestly, thanks very much for the kind suggestion.


Seriously.

My recommendation is that you formulate your questions into as clear, concise and intelligible a numbered list as possible, and then post it here in this thread with a clear header addressing it to CCP.

Nobody else here can answer the questions you are asking. Nobody else here is in any position to answer them.
Everyone elses answer is just a matter of subjective opinion, to which they personally are entitled.

Arguing against US, does NOT change CCPs position on this issue.

Write up your stuff, and address it to CCP, here in this thread.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Moja Hinken
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1492 - 2014-03-29 19:13:02 UTC
Don't understand why you all are trying to debate with Lucas Kell and Danalee. It has been made very clear to us how CCP feels. It has been made very clear to both of them individually by several of you. They are either trolls or the dumbest people I have ever met.
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#1493 - 2014-03-29 19:13:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayem See
Quote:
But to you as well, thanks for the suggestion, I do appreciate you looking out for me and ensuring I have a clear idea of my options.


I assure you I am not looking out for you. I disagree with you.

You are free to keep asking the questions. I did you the courtesy of answering your questions in a civil manner. Several times in fact.

You can do me the courtesy of not being lazy and reading them. I assure you I answered every question you asked of me when you quoted my posts.

Edit - All of those posts relate to the questions you are still asking.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1494 - 2014-03-29 19:13:54 UTC
Drone 16 wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Look, Lucas, you know my character hates your character with a passion, ingame but what you are doing here on the forums deserves not only mad props but also very much respect.
Lucas Kell wrote:

Just FYI, Erotica 1's evidence also showed the "victim" hurling real life death threats and racial abuse, as well as several other people on the bonus room side. Seems strange they were so selective in the interpretation of the evidence. It almost seems like they weren't even responding to the evidence at all, but to the public outcry and the CSM with a personal vendetta.

TheGunslinger42 wrote:

Also the magnitude of this turn of events has just become shockingly clear as Lucas and I are in agreement
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Ripard Teg did not merely "expose" a wrong. If he had responsibly reported the issue, and wanted to open a discussion, that would be great. But he opened his piece with literally stating that another player was pure evil, and followed up with literally calling him a torturer, and ended by pleading for the immediate removal of the individual.

That is not responsible journalism, that is not exposing a wrong, that is highly biased, sensationalist dreck. It's clear from the get go that his agenda is to get Erotica1 banned, and that he is willing to use any tactics possible - even horrific ones such as trivialising torture - to accompish it.

This one was nice too;
Jebediah Phoenix wrote:
So we can get perma-banned now for asking people to do a little song and dance? When the "victim" wasn't punished for racism and death threats? When apparently encouraging someone to commit suicide is worth only a 3 month ban?
Yeah, nice priorities CCP. Successful witch hunt guys.


INB4 OMG TEARS!


Too late


It's not too late to try and fix what's wrong, friend Drone. Don't be sad.
Heck, your support throughout this thread and the previous is what keeps us sane/grownup people going.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Vara Vampira
Fwehman Brothers Holdings
#1495 - 2014-03-29 19:14:13 UTC
Moja Hinken wrote:
Don't understand why you all are trying to debate with Lucas Kell and Danalee. It has been made very clear to us how CCP feels. It has been made very clear to both of them individually by several of you. They are either trolls or the dumbest people I have ever met.



how CCP was forced to feel by the masses and corrupt CSM you mean?
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1496 - 2014-03-29 19:14:39 UTC
Moja Hinken wrote:
They are either trolls or the dumbest people I have ever met.


One does not exclude the other

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#1497 - 2014-03-29 19:15:29 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
The rule is the same as it's always been.

You push CCP's buttons and you get stomped. Happens all the time. From locked posts to perma-bans.

There's no ambiguity here. Just butt hurt on a massive scale by whiners that like to play 'what if' games. Outliers are not the norm in this game. And neither is common sense, apparently.

Mr Epeen Cool


Interesting statement from a man playing a game loaded with outliers, especially when compared to the rest of the mmo scene.


Apparently, whatever E1 did was far enough out of the norm that he got banned.

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1498 - 2014-03-29 19:16:33 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Seriously.

My recommendation is that you formulate your questions into as clear, concise and intelligible a numbered list as possible, and then post it here in this thread with a clear header addressing it to CCP.

Nobody else here can answer the questions you are asking. Nobody else here is in any position to answer them.
Everyone elses answer is just a matter of subjective opinion, to which they personally are entitled.

Arguing against US, does NOT change CCPs position on this issue.

Write up your stuff, and address it to CCP, here in this thread.
I understand what you are saying, and I appreciate your suggestion, however in this instance I am choosing to go a different way with this and publicly discuss said questions instead. I understand that no player speaks on behalf of CCP.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#1499 - 2014-03-29 19:17:32 UTC
Vara Vampira wrote:
Moja Hinken wrote:
Don't understand why you all are trying to debate with Lucas Kell and Danalee. It has been made very clear to us how CCP feels. It has been made very clear to both of them individually by several of you. They are either trolls or the dumbest people I have ever met.



how CCP was forced to feel by the masses and corrupt CSM you mean?


I think the Palpatine might dissolve the Senate too if we are not careful. OMG the drama

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#1500 - 2014-03-29 19:17:34 UTC
Vara Vampira wrote:
Moja Hinken wrote:
Don't understand why you all are trying to debate with Lucas Kell and Danalee. It has been made very clear to us how CCP feels. It has been made very clear to both of them individually by several of you. They are either trolls or the dumbest people I have ever met.



how CCP was forced to feel by the masses and corrupt CSM you mean?


How you seem to fail to realise that some things are more important than role-playing in a game you mean?

Aaaaaaand relax.