EVE General Discussion

OK, so why are people who take an in game disagreement to an out of game forums and harass the other player not banned? I'm really not omitting anything here mate, the point is it's inconsistent. They can't claim to not deal with third party comms, telling some victims to effectively go **** themselves, then stand by others saying "yeah, that guys was mean". Either third party comms are covered by the EULA or they aren't. Which is it?

For what it's worth (probably not much) I think CCP made the best call they could here. Initially I was worried about arbitrary bannings; being a ganker... I don't make a lot of friends. I think the policy they've laid out is actually really reasonable, and is good for the game overall. It seems like they've really thought about it, and have things well in hand for the community and the overall health of the game. It wasn't as clear to me in the dev statements in this thread, imho... What really convinced me was this.

...just my 2 isk.



He doesn't have dyslexia. He just hasn't read anything aloud in a long time and probably doesn't read much anyway.

Edit: I hope it wasn't a perma-ban for Erotica 1, though.

And to quote the "victim" in this case:So if even the "victim" has stated Erotica 1 should not be banned, how can people still not see that this is CCP responding to a CSM members personal vendetta and the outcry of the public, not the needs of the "victim"?

Let's drop the act. We all know why I keep pushing for answers and why we will never get any. This has got nothing to do with rules against harassment, it's PR, plain and simple. A CSM member started a witch hunt, the community got stirred up into a rage shitstorm and CCP buckled to public pressure to save face.

so why then do players who have in game actions feel the need to take it to coms and ask for mayo smeared victory pictures. We can go round in a massive circle all day on this and I guess the only people that know are CCP. We can ask them for details and clarifications in fact we did and the response was the post by Falcon with a few follow ups from Guard. CCP are not at liberty nor do they have to give us any more information than they want to. They clearly identified that they examine these things on a case by case basis and also clearly sated that for any situation where you feel threatened IRL to report it to your local law enforcement agency.

The bonus round stuff was an extraordinary case which I agree would be helpfull if we got more details on their lines of thinking, but we know we won't get that. The bottom line here is that this is not a democracy, we play and access this game at CCP's pleasure and when we reach a stage where we don't like what they are peddling there is always the biomass option. However to think that we are in some kind of democracy where we can demand answers from CCP is delusional.

Tell me about it! Erotica 1 had white hair and was banned. Yet I see hundreds of other white haired avatars still playing EvE without a care in the World.

CCP need to standardize their 'king rulez man.

There is a difference between using the game as a tool to inflict real life malice, grief and humiliation versus someone ranting on twitter or quibbling with another player. And most people can differentiate between these. Most of it falls within common sense. In this case, malice is clear. These individuals went as far as to ridicule the victim's wife. They stepped well beyond the line between in-game and real life.

This is why there aren't "clear" rules to sort these issues out. They need to be reviewed on a case by case basis by CCP. So where do you draw the line? Use common sense and you'll steer clear from situations like this. But I realize there are those that, not only lack common sense, but have a need to push the lever as far as they can. In that case you can't get mad when CCP has to step in and bring you back across the line again. In other words, don't get mad because you can't see where you're well past the line.

It just shows CCP will cave to the masses despite whats right or wrong.

You'll have a hard time making your case for "malice, grief, and humiliation" when not even the "victim" involved feels this way.

You could make a case that CCP no longer wants bonus rooms and people being mean toward each other ... well, "just because" CCP wants it that way ... but it seems the opposite is true.

We clearly can demand answers form CCP. They didn't choose to respond to this when it happened, they did it when people protested against it and made a 400 page thread in a day.

I'm of the firm belief that CCPs responsibility should end with EVE, and third party tools, sites and communications services should not have the EULA/ToS covering them, which has been the case since EVE was born. If they want to extend it to cover third party services, then it should cover ALL of them, regardless of medium, so twitter, blogs, forums should ALL be covered by the same rules.

The harassment rules should continue to operate on a case by case basis, and that's fine, but if they are going to choose to extend the EULA/ToS to some third party services, it should be clear exactly which services they extend to and the extent to which they extend.

The ambiguity comes with how far into third party services the rules extend. Previously this was "not at all" as clearly stated by GMs. Now, it's clear that has changed. So what has it changed to?