EVE General Discussion

There is only on thing worse than someone doing something wrong, and that is someone else exposing the dirty deed to a wider public.

Hmm, think again gun person.

I don't think anyone else before has been banned for requesting someone to sing in order to get their stuff / save themselves before, but now there's precedent for banning people for doing that. Of course, it'll be handled by a case by case basis, but it's still a precedent - one that was arrived at due to Ripard Teg abusing his position to create an issue where there was not one. No one batted an eyelid when this bonus room actually happened months ago, it was only after Ripards quite frankly repulsive comparisons to real life torture, and spreading the his highly biased story of the "torture" to news outlets that something happened.

Even the victim himself said that he didn't think it warranted a ban, and that he's fine with it

Ripard Teg did not merely "expose" a wrong. If he had responsibly reported the issue, and wanted to open a discussion, that would be great. But he opened his piece with literally stating that another player was pure evil, and followed up with literally calling him a torturer, and ended by pleading for the immediate removal of the individual.

That is not responsible journalism, that is not exposing a wrong, that is highly biased, sensationalist dreck. It's clear from the get go that his agenda is to get Erotica1 banned, and that he is willing to use any tactics possible - even horrific ones such as trivialising torture - to accompish it.

My post is not inflammatory and hysterical, the language Ripard used and his goal are a statement of fact - they're there on his own blog post. The "ban him" comment is hypocritical, but a comment by me in a forum isn't comparable to someone in a privileged position taking that request directly to CCP, and then taking it to the wider news media to pressure an action.

I also wouldn't call ripard teg "evil", or call him a "torturer" or anything else, because that's insane and sensationalist. I find what he did incredibly distasteful, and he has a history of doing it - last year he called up mental imagery of **** to try and push an agenda regarding ganking industrial ships. It's rather gross if you ask me.

I also think it is counterproductive to his own goals, as it's hard to have a reasonable discussion about an issue when people start throwing around that kind of language. We can discuss if an issue should be allowable or not without screaming that the other side are literally evil monsters destroying human lives. Or at least I thought we could... our esteemed CSM member seems to disagree

I can count the hate brigade against Ripard on two hands :P
(one, not including alts)

Give it up. It's not going anywhere :)

Fair enough, his job isn't that of a professional journalist, but I'd expect more than sensationalist, irresponsible ranting and raving from someone who is supposed to understand and represent the community to CCP, and to a lesser degree represent the game and ccp as a whole.

That more people agree with him than not is a fallacy. It's also irrelevant, as you can completely agree with the idea behind it - that the bonus room was too far and shouldn't be allowed - without agreeing with the methods he used in presenting it.

If I were to take a page of of Ripards Book of Argumentation Strageties, I could demonstrate how the amount of people agreeing with something doesn't make it right with oh so many comparisons to things majorities have agreed with in the past, but it'd be sensationalist to do so, and very disrespectful to those issues. So I won't.

I disagree. Your posts are full of inflammatory and hysterical comments. But have it your way. Thanks for your opinion. Free speech is a good thing isn't it?

I do understand your point. Indeed, in the first threadnought I commented that the use of the word "torture" was probably inflammatory.

That said, he was stating an opinion. I've heard his interview on the CapStable podcast and it DOES seem that he has some pretty strongly held opinions (also the interviewers seemed biased in his direction.)

Ultimately it doesn't come down to a legal or psychiatric evaluation of any of the personalities involved.

It comes down to whether CCP are comfortable with something, or not.

They clearly weren't. It seems that the majority of the (forum-vocal) player base weren't either.

yet more tears...................... where shall i store all these juicy flavoursome tears.

Odd how the E1 sycophants cry when they got stung, but laugh when they were dealing out the non game realted public humiliation pain to others. its like an outerspace version of poetic justice.

I think its funny to see all these carebears going on about harvesting tears.

Just goes to show you it was never about keeping the community clean and all about "winning" an internet fight against the boogyman.